Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

"I am interested in fundamentals about human hearing, and this fundamentals demolish your claim to equate measurements of gear and qualitative hearing perception..."

Then you better hang around ASR, watch the videos I post, etc. and really learn the topic.  Don't go hanging your hat on stuff you don't understand and put them forward as proof of anything.  These papers such as Kunchur's have been discussed extensively and he has been shown to have no relevant knowledge of audio.   Join us, ask questions and we are happy to explain and discuss.  Otherwise you are not really interested I am afraid.

"Amir claims trashing all listening experience if not based on his measurements is MEANINGLESS  by psycho-acustic science..."

Totally wrong.  Listening tests are incredibly valuable.  But they only create value if they are conducted properly.  If not, they produce noise, not data or knowledge.  

Above has nothing to do with whether you believe in measurements or not. 

First, this has nothing to do with fourier transform.

The crux of the question is precisely about the fourier method and the impossibility to work with it in the time domain...

YOUR TOOLS WORK measuring gear components not hearing abilities...

YOU PLAY WITH ME... It is not polite...

The article by Oppenheim and Magnasco is about LISTENING TESTS...

And they demonstrate the human hearing abilities beating the Gabor limit and the Fourier uncertainty...

Then your measuring tools are adequate for gear measurements components not for  establishing  the value of hearing experience...

You act as a GURU equatiing  measuring gear components tools with hearing experience...You refused to discuss the meaning of the Oppenheim and Magnasco listenings experiments...

Your tools dont works in the time domain analysis and work in a time symmetrical domain... The ears /brain dont work as that...

Answer this physicist who works in high end audio ABOVE , and state that clearly the ears /brain works in the time domain and your tools cannot measure hearing experience only the specs accuracy of gear ...

DEBUNK THIS ONE AMIR :

This physicist is Dr. Hans R.E. van Maanen, His hobbies are listening to music (mostly classical), developing high-end audio systems

«Although the Fourier theory has been well established since the second half of the 19th century,it is surprising that so little attention is given nowadays to the conditions, required to apply the linear theory. It has been applied unreluctantly to electronics and human hearing, even though neither fulfill either of these requirements. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the results are inconsistent with listening experiences. »

https://www.temporalcoherence.nl/cms/images/docs/FourierConditions.pdf

«The effects in time domain of non-linear behaviour in combination with memory effects could explain why e.g. amplifiers with similar properties regarding frequency response and distortion
levels, sound different. It is to be expected that ten (10) different designs will produce ten different responses to music signals and thus receive a different perceptual qualification.»

This physicist seems to know better than Amir ... 😊

By the way he say the same thing that Oppenheim and Magnasco :

«Although it is outside the scope of this paper, it should be noted that human hearing is likely to be neither linear nor time-invariant,...»

https://www.temporalcoherence.nl/cms/images/docs/FourierConditions.pdf

@nicsadler I don’t disagree with you. Some people have been ridiculous here, and I’ve addressed it. @soundfield doesn’t get my business because from my perspective they are being petty and passive aggressive.

With that being said I don’t get Amir is taking that tone here as he did with you in email. I understand he is being prodded from all angles, but don’t make claims you can’t back up.

All I have wanted answered from @amir_asr is how he can claim to allow Erin’s video, be open to the discussion, call something that innocuous click bait and then close the thread so no more information can be had from it. I like top lists. I think they get to a core of what we all want. The best. He is in complete contradiction to himself and inviting more attacks by claiming he is one thing and then doing another. He literally replied to my reply and sidestepped my request to answer a simple question time and time again.

It comes across as snooty and worse. Kind of like how Ellen Degeneres had a talk show where she purported to be a good person who cares and then behind the scenes wasnt nice. It wasnt a well kept secret and I could see it all over her. Not saying he is approaching her level of nastiness, but the conditions are similar where he is evangelizing himself and not realizing how down right condescending he sounds. It’s gross.

This whole conversation has turned me off of audio. I come here to discuss and learn about great sound. I use all of my senses and my brain and data to do that. I don’t come here to discuss politics and it feels like I am an independent in a two party system. You calling me a thin skinned true believer supports that. I don’t even know what a true believer is. I believe it what I like and enjoy. Period.