Dolby vs. pre-Dolby


This is a topic I’ve brought up a few times before but with little response. Hopefully this time someone will be interested. Many Agoners have made reference to the fact that records from the ‘50’s sound the best.
My contention is that with the advent of Dolby (created for the purpose of reducing tape hiss) in the early ‘60’s, a very audible degradation of sound ensued. This can be heard not only on LP’s but also on CDs created from analog tapes. There is an openness and seemingly unlimited space on the pre-Dolby discs that I feel is lacking on Dolbyized discs. It can be heard most markedly on orchestral recordings. Without Dolby, the full orchestra surrounds you and still there Is a great sense of detail. With Dolby a lot of the wonderful ambience is lost.
Dolby’s cutting off of the highest frequencies, although allegedly electronically replaced, eviscerates the sound and deprives us of the full picture.
Has anyone else heard this phenomenon?
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Hi RVPiano ...

I think I can help you here in a way few other A’goners can. :) I used to work in motion picture sound, and Dolby-A was the noise reduction system used for Dolby Surround. I’ve taken those cards apart, and reverse engineered other bits of Dolby gear from the purely analog era.

I wouldn’t call Dolby audiophiles at all, certainly not back then. They were into effects, and noise and distortion was not high on their agenda to prevent, let alone "microdynamics" or anything close to that. While I believe the idea behind Dolby-A was a good one, to compress high frequency content so it would put less of a strain on tape, and later film, they always implemented their circuits with a huge amount of parts without particular care for anything besides the main goal. They also weren’t very quick to update their products with modern integrated parts which would have given them lower noise, lower distortion results for less cash. Their product cycles lasted a good long time.  Even using purely analog parts, Dolby A would be absolutely trivial to implement today with a handful of IC's, but back then was an electronics store of discrete parts.

We’d have to get a hold of those cards, of course, and attempt an encoding and decoding cycle to see exactly what was going on, but in general, based on the circuits I got to see and the performance I measured in the pro gear, I’d say it’s most likely that the problem wasn’t the idea of Dolby-A but the way Dolby would implement their circuits, going all the way back to the power supplies.

There were a number of poor choices in their film gear, which absolutely left too much noise and blurred too much detail which was in the tracks, so I can easily see how this could have been in the tape recording products.

While we can implement Dolby-A decoding digitally today and spare ourselves some of these problems, we can’t go backwards in time and remove the original encoding and what that must have done to the sound.

Best,


Erik
I wouldn’t call Dolby audiophiles at all, certainly not back then. They were into effects, and noise and distortion was not high on their agenda to prevent,


I meant other types of noise.  Dolby would improve the HF noise, while ignoring other.
Cleeds,

Yes indeed, multi miking and tracking played a role in affecting the sound, many think, negatively, You could also cite the switch from tubes to transistors as having a negative affect.
But one thing is clear and indisputable, there were no Dolby recordings made prior to 1965, the year of its invention. That’s not so hard to understand.
Although, you’re right, I have no way of knowing which recordings used Dolby after that date, I sure as hell know there were no Dolby recordings made pre 1965.
And that’s my point!
I believe, in general, records made before 1965 sound better than those produced later.


However, you’re right, I don’t know the technical details as to how Dolby works. .But one thing is sure, the final sonic signature is not the same as it started out.
It was compression, then expansion to reduce noise. There was a device that controlled both ends of the process. No frequencies were eliminated and the process was used to expand dynamic range. Lessor one sided Dolby systems were not as good but master tape with Dolby pro encoding were known as the best possible tape playback (10 inch reel to reel, not cassette).