DVD-A WIZ-Bang-Boom

Plato: As you know, I have both SACD and DVD-Video set-ups in my home system, and while I love SACD, based on my listening with the Classic and Chesky DADs and SACDs, I could be happy with either of those formats over CD. What I do not like about DVD-A is that due to the copycode concerns the software won't let you pass a true 24/96 digital signal from the player's digital output (like you can with DVD-V), so you can't use a high-quality 24/96 DAC. Hence, you're stuck with the cost-compromised transport, dac and analog stage of that $229 player from the WIZ (by the way, love the title of the thread!), and I don't think that's going to give anyone a true taste of the medium's potential, and certainly won't entice me to back the medium if I'm going to be stuck with a mediocre low-fi player. And a high quality universal transport won't help here either, for the same reasons. At least Sony put out some very good initial players to whet the high-end crowd's appetite for SACD, and now they've got a good deal of less expensive players out there to go for the mass market. And if you think there are not enough SACD titles out there, the number of SACD titles dwarfs the DVD-A titles. So I'm not so sure that DVD-A is going to overtake SACD, even though my understanding is that the recording engineers have backed the pcm format over DSD; however, I'm still not sure either format is going to catch on ultimately in a market that cares more about convenience and sees very little improvement, if any, over redbook CD. Perhaps enough of a market can develop from the multichannel aspects of the new formats, but I'm skeptical. Mind you, though, if enough good, high quality labels make SACDs or DVD-As that will pass a 24/96 digital signal, I won't mind these formats being restricted to niche markets...

Rcp,

Thanks for your thoughts. I think it's interesting, if true, that the recording engineers are backing the PCM format, in effect choosing "none of the above." This still appears to be far from a done deal.

Sony has a strong selection of SACD titles remastered mainly from their 2-channel classical archives, as I understand it. So the real race will be to see which format(s) will be used for current and new music releases (and new multichannel recordings). I think that whichever format dominates the new release market will ultimately win the war. Yes, Sony has come way down on the prices of its SACD players, but even $400 is too high a price for real mass-market proliferation, in my view. Plus, there is no SACD player that presently sports a digital output. Personally, to have to use 3 pairs of analog interconnects to implement DVD-A and/or SACD, is really idiotic -- especially to high-enders who pay quite a bit for high-quality interconnects. Hooking up 3 pairs of the average "Phat-boy" interconnects to my surround receiver to accommodate a single source component is not an experience I will enjoy. So at present, my audio and video systems are still separate entities, with Dolby and DTS 5.1 being the sources of choice for my video applications, and my trusty analog TT and digital upsampling gear reserved for audio-only.

At this time of crisis in the USA, there ought to be a little more unity and agreement among the various formats. If folks knew which way to turn I'd bet there would be a lot more buying going on, and a lot less fence sitting. You know, the other day I broke out my old reel to reel tape deck and started playing through some of my old recordings and it was great fun. I also attended a record show recently, and bought a lot of great vinyl LPs for shamefully low prices. I can certainly find ways to amuse myself for as long as it takes the powers-that-be to sort this thing out. Who knows, by the time they finally reach a decision I may lose interest. Take care, my friend. :)

A/V and Music shall forever be seperate.
No HT system whatever the format will ever do music as well as a 2 channel set up.
Carefull for what you whish for.
Where you at the Toronto Record Collectibles show.

Plato, having heard your two-channel rig (particularly the vinyl playback), I don't see why you'd spend any time listening to the HT setup! I will note that there is quite a bit of new classical and jazz coming out on SACD these days (and not just from specialty labels--Sony has new Midori and Joshua Bell releases on SACD, for example), and a number of new pop releases as well are appearing. Add to that Virgin's and Universal's support of SACD and plans to make SACD releases and there may be some hope for SACD. Now if only Sony would wise up and release hybrid discs for all its new releases, they may yet get the public interested in the format. I do think that the "hook" they need for this format (and DVD-A as well) is the multi-channel aspect of the discs, much as I don't care about that. That's the one thing that the mass market might see as a big improvement over CD, and could be the key to acceptance in the marketplace. Just my two cents, of course.

No kidding A/V and music are separate. I don't even _own_ a TV set. :-) I haven't heard DVD-A yet, myself. But I have fielded questions among my non-audiophile friends as to why we need DVD-A when they thought Metallica's S&M on DVD-Video sounded so good (better than CD). And from a simple "Joe Sixpack" perspective, I was stumpted for an answer.

But I have heard SACD at a dealer demo (shout out to "AudioCraft" in Mayfield Hts, OH) and I liked what I heard. From a marketing perspective, DVD-A seems like the natural successor. To the public, DVD=the new digital thing with surround sound, so the public will under stand where DVD-A is coming from. (they'll see it as the marriage of DVD-V and the compact disc). But if you assume that AV and music will be separate, then SACD makes more sense to me.