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High-value ICE offerings or Ayre V3, ARC 100.2

I'm torn between the highly-reviewed class D amps and the "classics" from late 90s/early 2000s such as the ARC 100.2 or Ayre V3. I came of audio-age in the late 90s and looking through the Audiogon listings, I feel like a kid in a candy store.

At the $1500-$2000 range, there are just so many options, such as the Wyred 4 Sound ST-1000, which is apparently competitive with amps costing many times its price. But the question is: how do these new high-value amp compare to the better amps from 10 years ago such as the Ayre V3 or ARC 100.2 or even the VT 100 MKII, which you can also pick up new in the $1500 to $2000 range.

My system is currently AR ES-1 for analog, EAD Utradisc 2000 (transport), Benchmark DAC1 Pre for digital, amp is Plinius 8200 integrated, speaker are Revel Ultima Gems and Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MKII. I've had the 8150/8200 for over 10 years, and I think I'm ready for a change. The 8200 has a warmish signature and I think I want something a tad more dynamic and speedy. I have mini-monitors so it's pretty clear soundstage and imaging are pretty important to me. The Revels are a recent addition, picked up because the Dynaudios sound a little compressed when playing big classical, and I'm thinking I need to step up my amplification.

Musically, I listen to mostly 70s rock, classical (orchestral and chamber) and jazz. The Revels definitely need a sub for classical and that's also on my list.

If you have any other options for suitable amps, I'd love to hear them too.

Thanks!
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timrhu
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I have used several class D amps with varying degrees of success. None of them have disappointed me but I have a feeling they aren't for everyone. Right now I am happily using the Bel Canto Ref S500.
My suggestion is to buy something like a pair of the BC Ref M1000s used and give them a try. At the $2k price used, if they don't meet your needs you can resell them. You won't lose much on the deal and you'll gain the experience to move forward.
guidocorona
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Among all the class D amps mentioned, I am by far fondest of the Bel canto Ref 1000M anmd Ref 500M monoblock. Amazingly musical devices and wonderfully resolving. My PFO review of the 1000M is at:
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue43/bel_canto_ref1000.htm
timrhu
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Hey Guido, I read your review of the Ref 1000M, very nice. Have you heard the 300M? If so how much do the give up to the 1000M?
Don't want to hijack this thread but I'm curios.
guidocorona
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Sorry TimRhu, I have not listened to 300M. Guido
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meadowman
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IMHO, the V3 is a real bargain ( caveat: with Ayre Conditioner and v 1.3 boards ). They can be had in the $1200 range most of the time and my current one has displaced Krell MDA 300s, VTL MB 450s, Rowland Model 6s, Mcintosh MC 402, Threshold 800D and a few I can't remember. Speed, power, dynamics are all there and there is no glare or audio exhaustion at either end of the frequency range. The K5Xe is a bit more transparent but for my $$$ at 1/3 of the Used to Used $ I will take the V3 any day.
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