Horn speakers are really bright?

Here are more videos with horn drivers for CF4 

The same song with original diaphragm 

@roxy54 

new horn diaphragm and compare with previous with original diaphragm 

I do have ALLO USBRIDGE STREAMER with power supply I don’t hear any difference either 

to me the difference is able to pick in blind test yes there’s micro differences but doesn’t stand out 

I went from a Squeezebox Touch to a Pi (Allo Digi One), then to a Node 2i and now a Lumin U1 Mini. All of them sounded different. In order:

SB, Node, Allo, Lumin

All are used with separate DACs. All the streamers sounded different on their own.

@ozzy62 I’m talking about only streamer no DAC 

so I was streaming with Cambridge Azur 851N ,cocktail Audio X45 and Chromcast to my DAC and to my preamp SimAudio P8 and I did not hear any difference 

So I was doing something wrong 😑 or my Speakers 😂

I don’t really know if a streamer make a difference 

Absolutely it does!

I don’t really know if a streamer make a difference 

Chromcast $35 in action 

@roxy54 yes it’s Sony SS-M7 sounds amazing 

What are those other speakers near the center, old Sonys?

@willgolf  thanks you 

@lordrootman....sounded pretty damn good to me.  Thank you for introducing me to Chantal Chamberland

Not if you use single ended tube amps.

SimAudio P8 and W8 in the mis 

I had a pair of Epic C4, they rocked but I didn't think they were shrill of harsh.   Same for my Heresy III.  They were a little lean sounding without a sub but sounded great with 40 watts of EL34 power.    

I have the Forte IV and they sound great, not harsh at all .   I would say this is because I am lucky to have great electronics with them.   

@roxy54 

i just upload some videos 

CF4 V1 with Ciare Woofers vs CF4 V2 with crossover rebuild/ upgrade

and original woofers no subs just speakers with amps 

Thanks @roxy54 

Epics is such unbelievable speakers I still can’t believe I pay less $1k for it 

lordrootman,

Nice comparison. It's impossible to make reliable judgements over computer speakers, but that said, yours sounds very clear and immediate. I would never guess that there was such a crazy price differential in these systems. I think that the Epics are amazing speakers, and that's why I've kept them longer than any other. 

Thanks

Can you hear the difference between this two videos 

Take a look at the Viking Acoustic lineup of speakers online.  I have the Grande Voix and love them.  I am sold on Horn speakers.

I think I find the holy grail playing usher BE 718 and klipsch EPIC CF4 together sound so amazing I never experience anything like that in my room especially clarity pin point accurate and bass response 

my integrated Hint6 is powering 718 and Simaudio moon W7 is powering CF4 Hint6 is still doing the preamp duties 

They both sound good but the Klipsch sounds more coherent.

@ozzy62 

definitely agree 718 sounds different from CF4 but that’s the reason to get it 

I want something sounds different from klipsch WORLD speakers lol 😂 

actually 718 sounds much better with my CLASSE CA-2300 than Hint6 and yes the bass output is crazy for that little speakers 

The years have taught me that generalizations about audio are often wrong. 

I agree.  Saying horn speakers are bright makes no more sense than would be the case if you said sealed speakers are bright or ported speakers are bright.

I borrowed a pair of the Usher BE 718s a few years ago from a dealer. At the time I had some Green Mountain Audio monitors. The GMA speakers beat them overall. The only thing the Ushers did better was bass response. The midrange just wasn't as real sounding. I can hear more texture in the midrange on the Klipsch speakers in your video than the Ushers. Same thing I heard in my room.

And this is the same  song on CF4

Got new to me bookshelf speakers Usher BE 718 I compare it to my EPIC CF4 

@ozzy62 😂😂😂😂😂

Horns are not bright (but sometimes they are horn-y!!), the best horn experience for me, were a number of Edgar Horns used with low powered SETs. I’m now back to horns with Devilles. Not quite the Edgar horn experience, but the same characteristics are there, of sorts, at least for me.…now if i had room for some big Khorns…

That video is proof that just because something can be done, doesn’t mean that it should be done.

2 pair playing together doesn’t sound good. Also sounds like there is a phase issue happening.

I'd like to hear them playing individually. Also, they would sound better with some space around each speaker

@roxy54 not really just boring 😂😂😂 the CA-2300 has 4 binding Post just like CF4/KLF 30 purposely for bi- wire   so I figured why not give it a try since both speakers is high efficiency and CLASSE was able to drive them without any issues 

lordrootman,

Is there a particular reason why you are using both pairs at the same time? I would think that timing as well as imaging would be better with just one pair or the other.

Klipsch EPIC CF4 AND KLF 30 playing together powering by CLASSE AUDIO CA-2300 SimAudio supernova DAC Cambridge Azur 851N streaming Qobuz 

Here is a video with a new DIY n-1500 crossover:

Hi @unreceivedogma,

I use Altec 604E with original and Werner Jagusch crossovers. 

The horn of 604E compression driver has an issue - ringing on 7.5KHz.

Mastering Labs crossover filter out this frequency. It also suppresses upper bass and lower mid and increases mid and low bass. I never heard Mastering Labs crossover.

Werner Jagusch crossover suppresses high frequencies from 5KHz and up. So sound become very smooth but very dark. It partially can be compensated by external super-tweeter.

The original N1500 sounds bright when high frequency regulator is on maximum. But with some high frequency regulator adjustment -3.5dB (7.5 Ohm on part of potentiometer that serial with compression driver) the sound become well balanced.  In this case external super-tweeter helps to get more refined sound. I just built this crossover using original inductors, good quality capacitors and constant value resistors. I like n1500 more than Werner Jagusch. n1500 gives a better more focused soundstage, flatter more neutral response on high frequencies. Plus original n1500 inductor give more controlled bass.

I use Fostex T90a supertweeter. I used it with 1st order crossover (like 99% people do) for 1 year and moved on to 4th order crossover, that give me a huge improvement.

Regards,

Alex

I have a pair of Altec Lansing 604Cs.

They were bright with the stock crossover.

I replaced the crossover with Mastering Lab crossovers. They have two shelves and were specifically designed to correct this weakness. They did solve the problem.

Big beautiful monsters. Thanks.

My current pair of speakers is Klipsch KP301 II's with the larger midrange horn, and I've customized the tweeters with B & C drivers. The only other speakers I've even considered were Altec Lansing, so you could say yes, I'm sold on horn speakers to say the least.  I've owned Klipsch speakers since 1977 and I agree with everybody who's spoke up saying there are many factors leading to a speaker sounding bright weather it be Klipsch or not. And the fellow that said horn's are distorted or whatever way he put it, was just silly. Bad horn speakers sound distorted, good horn speakers sound the best I've ever heard.  The leading-edge is very important in any system because we all know . . . what you put in is ultimately responsible for what you get out. 

I think that part of the magic of the Epic CF4 is the D'Appolito configuration of the drivers.

@lowrider57 

nope nope 

I wish they still make CF4 or even something similar to KLF 30

i guess forte  and Cornwall IV is great but I don't really like the height of either 

@lordrootman 

Does Klipsch make any modern day speakers similar to the design of the EPIC CF4??