How does adding a second subwoofer improve your systems SQ?

" You’ve stated I’ve attempted to discredit the technology."

No I did not.

I provided TWO quotes wherein you called multi-sub advocates "cultists", and then in a follow-up post I wrote:

You cannot understand the difference between objecting to how people promote a technology to discrediting it, and I guess we’ll have to leave it at that, and this mindless promotion of this take is rather... religious. If you want any proof just go back through the archives and look for Miller Carbon and "Toole" unless that discussion got deleted by the moderator.

How about this, your cadre leaves me the eff alone and behaves themselves and I won’t call them out for what they are? Should I call you something else besides Duke? Maybe supreme speaker? Arch bishop? Duke seems so secular.



Erik

Erik, you are fixated on your grievances towards audiophiles who prefer something which is arguably

Man who keeps calling me out upset I reply.

Sadly for you I don’t owe you a debate nor do I do research for free. The proof is in the archives. I don’t even know who "Big Greg" is, but honestly don’t care if he thinks I disdain him, so go find yourself a tin whistle and blow it. I would appreciate it if you’d stop deliberately misreading me to claim things not in recent evidence, then attempt to exhaust me with requests for free research. For some one who claims an advanced degree I’m surprised reading comprehension wasn’t actually taught at your schools.

You’ve stated I’ve attempted to discredit the technology. Nowhere is that in evidence. I, again, clarified. Now you want me to prove the behavior I’m objecting to. Puhleese. I don't play the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man merry go round you seem enamored of here.

I suggest you go hawk your products as much as you want to, and name me only if you want my attention. Capiche?

Quote me.

Gee @audiokinesis

I'm not having a squabble at all.  You said I played a card to discredit a technology and I corrected you. Now you are again taking a curious angle to my very clear and direct statements.  

As I have said, I don't care if people chose a swarm or not.  I do care how people behave in my environment. Calling out poor social behavior for what it is is not playing a card or discrediting a technology.

I suggest in the future if you'd like to carry on undisturbed that you avoid using my name in vain and I'm sure I'd be leaving you alone.

Best,

E

Since bass trap advocate Erik Squires is playing the "cultist" card to discredit multi-sub advocates

@audiokinesis

I’m not discrediting multi subs. I’m discrediting the cultish behavior on the proponents on Audiogon. As I’ve written, it is characterized by:

1 - Refusal to accept other solutions are possible or more applicable to specific questions by posters.

2 - Insistence on the swarm being a solution to everything a poster asks about, regardless of application. "Help I have noise on my left channel." 30 seconds later ... "You need a swarm!"

3 - Lying about what other prominent professionals have stated.

I have no particular interest in whether some one finds the swarm a useful solution in their environment. It’s the cult-like behaviors above I find distasteful, and that you seem to be happy to misstate my position despite how clear it is. I also don’t care if you promote it as a possible solution to the general problem of finding good bass in a system.

I do care people I interact with do so in a respectful and sincere manner, and this has definitely not been consistently the case around this issue and as a result I have grown a profound distaste for those who promote it. I don’t think that’s unfair.  Your sentence, quoted above, reaffirms my choices.

Duke,
You already know where we stand.  I won't be editorialized by you.
Erik

I am a huge fan of Floyd Toole, but in general he seems to not consider affordable bass traps as solutions. He kind of alludes to this:

Short of hiring an acoustical consultant, and being willing to rearrange the furniture and possibly rebuild the walls, what can be done?

So his entire solution space is outside of this possibility, which may be a choice based on who they expect their customers to be.

Other, more modern acousticians have written with the presumption that bass traps are an option and they don’t throw up their hands quite as easily to the problem.

Once we allow for bass traps, things get much better for subs and EQs, and it is from this perspective that I often challenge the DBA cultists. A well integrated single sub, in a well treated room, including bass traps performs really amazingly well.  Two subs is better.

Best,
E

Thank you for the kind words @hilde45

It's hard to tell without measurements, honestly, but before you get to your second subwoofer, the room treatment and EQ could be considered. With 1 sub, and good room treatment, properly set up, it can be magnificent.

A second sub, if you are free to place it anywhere, can certainly compensate for any big nulls, but what if you don't have any, or what if you use an open layout which does not lend itself well to standing waves to begin with?

Best,

E

I wrote all about this here:

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/04/how-to-not-buy-subwoofer.html