If you have a nice system why do you really need room treatments?


Yeah you may need an absorption panel if your room is completely open, ie. No rug or furniture, ie just lonely single chair. But if your system can't cut it in any room then it's a system problem and you should be able to discern a good system regardless of the room.  Unless you put it on the roof of your apartment building but the Beatles seemed to have survived that effort

I think people go nuts with all this absorption acoustical room treatment stuff and it looks kind of awful.  Once in a while you see a really cool looking diffuser panel and I would definitely want one. But to have a system that works really well without any of the acoustical panel distractions is a wonderful thing.

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Treatments consist of corner base traps extending up to the ceiling, a couple absorption panels throughout the room, a 20 x 20 thick wool rug and an assortment of furniture.

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I dont agree. Without a decent room you cant discern, effectively, what differentiates good from not so good.

Of course you can.  For example: in a bad room you have one amp hooked up and the soundstage is confined to an area around the speakers--you upgrade to a better amp and the sound becomes "bigger" and fuller.  You upgrade to a better preamp and you note that the imaging is greatly improved and therefore the soundstage is better defined.  The improvements you note would probably be enhanced in a tuned room, but it's not like you won't hear them even in a bad room.

Not terribly long ago, there was a thread posted in "misc" by @calvinj pertaining to this very subject. The question was basically "can a good system sound good in a bad room?"

And I would say that basically it can, but I have no doubt that it would sound better in a good room. But I don’t see how a good room can make a bad system sound good.

I am also kind of getting out of the reading on this site that near-field set up starts to take the room out of it, and maybe that’s my saving grace, because with good source material I do feel my "good"system" (which is relative) sounds good (also relative) in a bad room.

It’s about a really nice system in a room and you should be able to discern the qualities of a really nice system in room.

Sure. But if you had the wherewithal to scientifically tune the room I am sure that would make the great sound of a great system sound even better. However, to say that the differences in a good system and a not-as-good system cannot be discerned in an untreated room is not true.

@emergingsoul  , is the basic premise of your thread that you are asking if the love for room treatment might be based on confirmation bias?

To say the room is not important is like saying the croissant is not important- its all about the butter.

That is not a good analogy--not even close.

Oh yes. Put your stereo at any price into an untreated gym and play it really loud. If you enjoy it that way, more power to you.

Absolutely--I am sure it would be much more satisfying to  sit in the gym you had treated to the hilt and listen to no system at all.

These extreme opposing viewpoints over such a short period of time are concerning and almost schizophrenic like.

+1!

Seriously you are complaining about leaf blowers? Then you attempt to add credence by discussing bird numbers. Perhaps you can get a grant. Please no more!

I remember a member who went by @jumia  who was going off about leaf blowers for a while.  Actually, his posts resembled the posts @emergingsoul makes.    @emergingsoul  , were you @jumia in another life?

@immatthewj 

You are so funny. Isn't it clear I love attention as well as learning so much wisdom offered by so many talented people who participate on this forum.

@emergingsoul  , I wasn't intending to be funny.  For quite some time I thought that your postings resembled @jumia  's posts, and then you did the leaf blower post, and the only other posts I read complaining about leaf blowers was from @jumia, so I was just asking if at one time you had gone by that screen name.  That's all.

Treatments consist of corner base traps extending up to the ceiling, a couple absorption panels throughout the room, a 20 x 20 thick wool rug and an assortment of furniture.

So I guess treating a room with acoustical panels Will provide a benefit. This is news. So many great enthusiastic people have led me to rethink my position. I thank everyone for helping me overcome my fear of adopting a more liberal view about acoustical treatments.

I'm in a room right now and all the tested curves look fine and I've done it all with out acoustical stuff except for corner bass traps.

Funny thing is, I've had people over and they say how come you don't have any acoustical panels and then they look at me really strange when I say I don't really need them.

That is rather confusing.