Interconnects, some have directional indicators, why?

How do you square this with the cable carrying an AC signal?

Arrows on all other kinds of cables -- XLR, speaker, power, and data -- are utterly meaningless from an electrical standpoint, since audio signals (and wall voltage) are alternating current and interact with conductors the same way in either direction.

The audio signal energy travels in one direction in the form of an electromagnetic wave from the source to the load.

If you accept this theory wire directionality can be better understood. It also explains how the type of dielectric used in ICs and speaker cables can have an impact on how the cable sounds in an audio system. Can people hear differences in cables? Use the AC theory of the signal traveling back and forth to explain how, why, cables sound different.

Read:

"Ralf Morrison's website has some comments on electromagnetic laws."

https://books.google.com/books?id=9tsbThJYMh0C&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=moving+electrical+energ...

George what proof do you have of your claim the wire cannot be directional? Any actual experimentation building speaker wires or  ICs?








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In Reply to: Re: maybe rcrump... I don’t know, but... posted by Greg R. on September 29, 2000 at 19:47:48:

Solid core wire is extremely directional so just mark the end with some masking tape as it comes off the spool. Orient the wires so you have piece of masking tape at either end and terminate the wires. Throw it on a MOBIE or whatever overnight and then listen to it noting which way gives the highest image height. This is the correct orientation.

If you run the signal and return wires in the same direction you will end up with hot spots in the stage, normally at or close to the speakers, low image height and have a gaping hole in the middle of the stage...Keep in mind I am referring to the sound of the stage (reflections) not the individual instruments spread across the stage....Interconnects or speaker wires that have pianos wandering all over the stage normally have their signal and return going in the same direction....

So, this begs the question: will the sound improve if the amplifier is placed lower than the source components so the electrons could travel more freely down hill following the direction in the cable? This might explain why most serious audiophiles put their amplifiers on the lowest shelf on the rack. Just wondering...

The word electricity refers generally to the movement of electrons (or other charge carriers) through a conductor in the presence of potential and an electric field. The speed of this flow has multiple meanings. In everyday electrical and electronic devices, the signals or energy travel as electromagnetic waves typically on the order of 50%–99% of the speed of light, while the electrons themselves move (drift) much more slowly.

Just look at his website, then you’ll understand, why he can’t
"see the forest through the trees."
http://www.machinadynamica.com/index.html
And he wants money for some of these bizzare things

mihorn,

Here is a response, from herman, to a post of mine to him.

If you say the AC fuse blew because there was too much current flowing

through it everybody nods in agreement even though that isn’t true. If you

say the wire in the fuse melted because it got too hot after absorbing

energy from the electromagnetic wave people look at you like you are

insane and want to argue that vibrating electrons constitute current flow.

( Again doubled spaced for ease to read the quote)

mihorn,

My post was in response to this part of your post;

That includes fuses in > 30~40 years old vintage gears. Switching the direction of the fuse, the electrical current takes longer time (and subtle) to hear the effect because many active parts have to react to the change of new current (unlike audio signal). In my experience, it usually took 1~10 minutes to hear.

AC current is not flowing through the fuse. Energy is, in the form of an electromagnetic wave.

I think if you guys that have experimented with fuse direction, and can hear a difference, it is hard to justify if one believes AC current flows back and forth though the fuse. If that was the case then the fuse would have to act as a diode in one direction to hear a difference. What other reasoning can you use?

If you use the theory, energy travels through the fuse in the form of an electromagnetic wave from the source to the load, then the next question is how could reversing the fuse make a difference?

Here is what herman posted again:

If you say the AC fuse blew because there was too much current flowing

through it everybody nods in agreement even though that isn’t true. If you

say the wire in the fuse melted because it got too hot after absorbing

energy from the electromagnetic wave people look at you like you are

insane and want to argue that vibrating electrons constitute current flow.

The fuse is a weakest link. In a garden hose, only narrowest part of hose counts to pass the max water. A weakest link is very sensitive. What has happened in the weakest link is amplified huge later. A sound system is only as good as its weakest link.

You are still thinking current flows through the fuse. It does not. You cannot use the garden hose analogy when describing what goes on with the workings of a fuse. Weakest link? Yes, only because if more energy passes through the fuse than it is designed to handle it will melt the link and open the circuit. Does the fuse restrict/limit the amount of energy needed for the piece of equipment to operate as designed?  Good question..... My guess is no.

atmasphere said:

That energy cannot exist without the current flow. You are correct in that electromagnetism is always there but it can’t exist without current! This link might help sort things out for you:

Quote from Link below:

"Those of you who feel that many of the ideas are not mainstream should find a copy of “Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers” by Donald G. Fink and H. Wayne Beaty.…there is a section entitled, “Electromagnetic Wave Propagation Phenomena.”

“The usually accepted view that the conductor current produces the magnetic field surrounding it must be displaced by the more appropriate one that the electromagnetic field surrounding the conductor produces, through a small drain on the energy supply, the current in the conductor. Although the value of the latter may be used in computing the transmitted energy, one should clearly recognize that physically this current produces only a loss and in no way has a direct part in the phenomenon of power transmission.”

“There it was, right in front of me in black and white! The current does not flow around a loop setting up a magnetic field as I had, along with countless other engineers, been taught in high school and university. It is the other way round. The electric current is but an artifact of a more fundamental entity.”
http://www.prosoundtraining.com/site/synaudcon-library/understanding-electricity-means-understanding...

Either way its a red herring and has nothing to do with directionality nor suggests a means for directionality.

“The usually accepted view that the conductor current produces the magnetic field surrounding it must be displaced by the more appropriate one that the electromagnetic field surrounding the conductor produces, through a small drain on the energy supply, the current in the conductor. Although the value of the latter may be used in computing the transmitted energy, one should clearly recognize that physically this current produces only a loss and in no way has a direct part in the phenomenon of power transmission.”

mihorn said:

I have copper rods instead of fuses in my few components. Copper rods in the correct direction always sound better.
I am an audiophile, not an electrical engineer.

mihorn said:
 I wrote that here to show it can be tested and see the truth while you are guessing negatively.

kijanki said:                                                                  2-05-2016 8:37pm

Current in the wire is a flow of electric charge. Wire creates magnetic field but transports charges and not the energy. Energy is transferred thru magnetic field from the source to the load.
The load has some voltage drop in it, hence electric field. Together with magnetic field, this brings the energy in. Same way, the source generates voltage and, together with magnetic field, this brings the energy out.
Direction of electromagnetic energy flow is determined by the Poynting vector, E × H, and depends on both voltage polarity (through E) and current direction (through H).
As I understand it, even in DC circuit energy flows from source to load thru the space in direction of Poynting Vector.