Eastern Rebellion: Why is this record not considered when people talk about "Greatest Jazz Records Ever"? George Coleman, Cedar Walton, Sam Jones, Billy Higgins. Side one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ubU5TclcEghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdTYMDIyQq8Just a question, Why are some gems so overlooked? Like Rok says " If you don't got it, get it". Rok, I remember liking The Weston/Liston recording, Volcanic Blues, but I have trouble locating the CD's in time to comment. Also, a few years back my son sold some CD's thinking I would never find out. I started seeing "my" Cd's at the stores and figured it out. I am not real sure what I own anymore. I need to get a list on computer and organize my LP's and CD's, but that would be work. ;) |
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Rok, O-10, Greg Porter was a football player who got hurt and started singing. Great story. Read up on it. I think he has one major recording. On Blue Note.
A little more Soul/Gospel than Jazz, but he is young. I like him. |
Can musicians be replaced by computers? Learsfool said all the younger players want to sound the same in the orchestra.
Can musicians play Bop?
Can feel and intuition in music ever be programed, or are they a human characteristic?
Do we even want them to be able to? |
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++++What was the player thinking? +++
Just look at their faces. They were having a blast! As far as the other questions, I don't know. I's about emotional reaction, just like Bop. That"'high" is what makes us all listen to music.
I have been listening to Ronald Shannon Jackson music, since I heard he had died yesterday. Been a fan for 30 years. Sonny Sharrock died almost 20 years ago. Very good players, but in a style most won't get.That's OK. I mostly do.
On a different note, You may want to check out a Phil Alvin record I was listening to. Phil Alvin plays with the Blasters, but in 1984, while the Blasters were split, up he put out a solo recording of mostly pre 1940 songs, and enlisted the support of Sun Ra and the Dirty Dozen Brass Band. It shows where Jazz roots come from, The only song on Youtube is without these bands, but will give you a taste. It was out on CD for a while, but may be a little scarce. |
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While thinking of purchasing Winard Harper's album Coexist, I ran across this great label, JLP, Jazz Legacy Products. Great Jazz, Great Price! |
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Bob Stewart is a Professor at Julliard. He played Tuba with Mingus for a while. It may not be to your'e liking, but he is great.
If Christian Scott did what you say, he would sound OLD school. Something NO young man wants to happen. I like his Band. They are influenced as much by today, as the past. Not always a bad thing.
I was in a record store the other day, and some Dylan was playing. I was thinking, this sounds pretty current and enjoying it. When I got to the counter to pay for my records, I asked two twenty-something "KIDS's" what they thought of the music. They looked at each other and one said, "It's OK when I go visit my Grandma" and they died laughing. Painful :^)
Keep enjoying what you like anyway, they will be old someday, and be stuck with Lady GAGA. |
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I loved the Mcferrin CD. It is currently on loan to a friend.
It is my unofficial biography. |
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Rok, Dallas Symphony is playing Beethoven's 9th in May of 2013 at the Mort. Not your Daddy's DSO. |
May 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th. |
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Rok, I admit to being baffled by your statements toward Tom Harrell . You could not be more wrong in your assessment of his playing. I was led to Mr. Harrell in the mid eighties by a trumpet player/teacher who worked in a record shop I hung out in. Very emotional player who I have never heard struggle in any way technically. Roars through changes while keeping his ideas coherent.Has 30+ years of very good to great recordings.
I intentionally choose a burner, as I was reminded of this GREAT version of Phil Wood's bands, by listening to the trumpet playing of Blue Mitchell.
Hal Galpner was/is a very good piano player. Check out some of his solo
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If he had been around from 1955, and died in 1963, AND played on Blue Note you would love him. |
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Thanks Learsfool, Yes, you answered my question. I always thought that conductors worked their way towards being a conductor through musical ability, and those that showed an aptitude for conducting moved in that direction. I honestly had never thought about it.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my stupid questions. |
I am completely lacking in my Wardell Gray music. I did hear this guy named Ian Hendrickson-Smith playing a great song on flute today. Has Philip Harper on trumpet( Harper Brothers) and Lonnie Liston Smith on Organ. This is the only thing I saw at this time. A couple of older videos show he sets a big groove and nice tone. http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=JhM67x4Phw4 |
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Learsfool, so Jaap Van Sweden is an anomaly? |
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Frogman, Loved the Herbie! I had a problem with Herbie's Rokit stage, but I was more like Rok in his thinking at the time. Only straight ahead, mostly hard bop. The 70's. This is what I was listening to. A gateway drug, so to speak. One of the best fusion records of all time. A definite love or hate recording. It passes Roks crowd test. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3sT5Ucyw_0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YShQZUMe7g |
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Jazz has been a fusion of Blues and Gospel from the beginning. I like the pieces you showed of Wynton with EC. but did I hear those solo's a hundred times before? As Mingus said to Jackie Mclean, " Play something new, Bird already played that!"
We are just looking for different things in our musical experience. The good thing is we can easily coexist, I can see the best in almost all music, but what led me to Jazz from Blues/ Rock was the way two pieces played on different days by the same person will always be different, and two pieces played by different people may not even sound like the same music. The way they play with or against each other, how they use instrument tones and shades to compliment or contrast, or the way they play with or against time on a standard, and sometimes do all three at the same time fascinates me. A song you have heard a hundred times is new.
Wynton's music feels like a comfy blanket, and as always He does have a great band.
BTW, the complete 7 CD output of Woody Shaw's Muse recordings are available from Mosaic Records. |
As far as the solo sounding repetative, I was mainly talking about Mr. Clapton, who was said to be god in the 60's, but now it seems Wynton is.
How can Wynton be the Alpha and Omega, when he is the 2nd or possibly 3rd best Marsalis in his family?
I like Wynton Marsalis's writing, but did you compare him to Ellington in any way? Really?
I salute and give all respect due for the good he does in the world.
Which freakish wannabe's are we talking about, I have played a lot of those?
Rokid, It is very hard to carry on a conversation with you. You are a bully to anyone in disagreement with you. Heck your a bully when people are mostly in agreement with you, and you take it wrong. If I wanted abuse I would go talk to my wife.
O-10, I have enjoyed your company. You are a gentleman. I listen to mostly the same music as all of you, but because you all had the straight ahead taken care of I chose to bring out the different side of Jazz. I hope it wasn't to much of a distraction.
Frogman and Learfool, Thanks, and see you around. |
Frogman, I own, and make loud noises with a tenor sax. I would hardly call it playing. ;} No trumpet.
I read that a young Miles Davis studied the way Mcghee played. If you think about how Miles played with Charlie Parker in the late 40's, it may be true. It is said he was among the best, but kept having drug problems and jail time. |
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Rok, I love both the Coltrane and the Ellington.
Another live Coltrane recording, Live at the Half Note, was made about a year and a half latter, finds Coltrane in transition. Not quite the full throttle sax monster he would be in 3 to 6 months on Live in Seattle, but heading in that direction. |
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