Looking for the next level in imaging...

It got a next level experience lesson in "sound staging" when listening to the Steinway-Lyngdorf Model B system.   I pride myself having listened to so many different systems and rooms over the years, but this delivered something very special.  A real "stage", quite addictive.   I did a series of videos about it all on my little channel.  Maybe it will be of interest to you? 

 

All imaging is Phantom, adjusting volume; phase; other things engineers know how to do, beginning with their skill with specific microphone types and placement for various voices or instruments, recording spaces, musician's placement .....

Precise reproduction of the media containing their intentions is very important.

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LP Imaging:

Sound characteristics, preferences are subtle, read reviews, listen ...

Imaging: I only consider cartridges with wide channel separation (30db, 28db, higher number is best for imaging (if it exists in the source as noted), and tight center balance (1.0 db; 0.5db harder to find)

The combination results is both wider and more precise, thus more perceivable imaging. Individual musicians, i.e. where's/there's the bass player, there's the trumpet/trombone ....... 

@mahgister   I understand your love and dedication to acoustic principals.  It makes up the heart of most of your posts.  

Your comment : 

Than this sentence is not even wrong  and like describing the realitty in reverse order like if walking on your head was normal 😁:

"If it’s not on the recording, it’s not in your listening room" — BINGO @bigtwin !

is totally irrelevant in the context to which it was made.  I was not discussing the virtue of proper room acoustics, nor how the lack thereof will diminish the ability to hear all that could be presented by a recording.  I was stating that no system, or room for that matter, can reproduce something that is not embedded in the recording to start with.  There is no magic.  Cheers.

"As @patrickdowns touched upon briefly with instrument placement I don’t see why so many here look for which instrument is where in a song. Are there more genres than classical orchestras that play music in such a way? Does most everyone here listen only to classical music? Surely it doesn’t matter as much in a studio where everyone is standing? And the sound is in the hands of the engineers anyway. With classical music being a small part of the world of music I fail to see the importance of what instrument is where in a song. I have some classical music in my Qobuz library and it sounds good but I really just want the music I like to listen to to sound great and not worry about what is where. Am I missing something to listen for that would improve my listening experience ? I listen to 60s 70s 80s 90s etc."

I do find it important as to where instruments are placed in the sound field and want to hear them in their "chosen" position. Case in point.

Thanks for your reply ...

But sorry you miss my point completely...

This then reveal the general audiophile misunderstandings about acoustics concepts reduced to mere room acoustic panels...

I was stating that no system, or room for that matter, can reproduce something that is not embedded in the recording to start with. There is no magic.

First the gear system reproduce bits or electrical weaves, but your speakers coupled to the room/ears TRANSLATE these acoustic waves in acoustic information about the initial recording trade off using the parameters of your ears and the parameters of your HTRF and your location and the parameters of your acoustic room content .

What was recorded were chosen acoustics parameters resulting from a trade-off choice by the mics type and location , not bits and electrical waves in which they were encoded, what was recorded by the recording engineer trade off choices need to be acoustically translated in a correct acoustical balance and under controls in your room for your ears.

Then even a good system in a bad room will not translate all the spatial characterics of the sound even if they are POTENTIALLY there in the coded bits or electrical and mechanical waves of the vinyl, ask Dr. Edgar Choueiri not mahgister... 😊

And yes when all is done right magic exist...

Why do you think i am happy ? Not because of my gear price tags 😁 but because of the way i embedded and modify it to optimally translate for my specific Ears and HTRF what is recorded ... It is not perfect but very good ratio S.Q. /cost...

There is magic...It is called acoustics... There is magic... It is called music well translated in my room...

When i came here more than 8 years ago i was confused... It is only by acoustics experiments that i could figure out how to install my system and how to cure upgraditis ignorance .. Before upgrading we must learn basic... Nobody claimed that elementary truth for me in audio forums... They all sell their favorite gear as solution...

It is not because most people cannot afford the time and the necessary free room to experiment that the truth must be banned ... 😊

Acoustics concepts rule audio (not mere acoustic panels) not price tags ...

Magic happen with  acoustics when coupled with the synergetical gear design  ...