Miraga M1 vs Totem Mani-2

If you must have tubes and Mani's high pass the Mani's with a sub as I also mentioned.  Not as good as a higher powered amp imo but will work.  I actually tried this for a while too until I happened to hear how the Mani's could sound with proper power.  Who knows your mileage may vary but I doubt it :-)

I know that Mani-2 are power hungry ( and M1 too ) 

But for my taste , Mirage played with Kronzilla much better than  with

Yamaha mx-1 ( 200watt 8ohm ) + First Sound Presence 4.0 Paramount ( tube preamp ) and better than Jolida Fusion 211 monoblocks ( 200watt from tubes in Push-Pull mode ) + FS preamp 

Maybe Kronzilla has only 50 watt , but monster power supply , 

Of course I know that Mani-2 are really difficult load , but I love Sound of tubes , especially SET and dont want to resign from this 

50 watts is 50 watts.  The fact that an amp is Class A or SET dosn't make it more powerful.  As I said before, IMO its not enough power.  Sure you can play them with 50 watts and they can sound ok, but you'll never hear what the speakers are capable of. I tried them with several amps when I owned them and found that I needed 200 watts before they would open up.  Same size room as yours too.

Mani 2's with the right amp, and in the right room is a better speaker. 

The same can be said about the M-1. My first real a-ha moment in audio was at a dealer that had M-1 Si vertically biamped with a pair of Krell KSA-250s in a large room. I have heard a number of 2 way monitors, and none are capable of doing what those speakers did in that room with those amps. I don't know that he has the right amp for either speaker as both are power hungry. The Mani is probably the better fit for that room. The Mirages need a big room with the ability to get them well out from the front wall.

Thanks for all Your opinions

question is if 50 watt in class A from SET ( but 50 kg of weight with beefy transformer ) will be enough power for Mani-2 in room about 20 m2 .?

Mani 2's with the right amp, and in the right room is a better speaker.  Mani 2's always had Dynaudio drivers in them.  This was the reason they were discontinued, because Totem was having troubles sourcing the drivers.  At least that's what I was told by Totem a couple years ago.  

I had Mani 2's for a number of years.  Not familiar with the Mirage,  No way is 5o wats enough for the Mani's unless you plan to high pass them with a sub.  And then what's the point of getting Mani's?

I had this first version Mani-2 ( with Dynaudio + Seas speakers ) some years ago, but as I said in other room and with SS amplification . I dont think that Mani-2 is level about Mirage M1. Especially in bass M1 can reaches so deep and low , that Totems ( which has really good bass ) cant . Maybe Totems are more sparkle but Mirage has more relaxed sound.

Problems ( and question is ) if Mirage M1 is too big for this size of room , and Totems will be better choice and if Kronzilla ( 50 watt class A single ended triode ) can drive Mani-2 properly ?

@donpen21 

Sorry you didn't understand my way of saying things. There has been more than one model of Mani twos. The original version had dynaudio drivers. Approximately 15 years ago. They in my opinion were much nicer than what was made after that. 

The manu twos that were built with dynaudio drivers are at least two levels above the m1 mirage speakers. The mirage speakers are ok and the original Mani twos are world class. 

@retiredfarmer 

I know that Mani-2 is above Model One of Totem’s line

but M1 - I mean Mirage M1

I know that is big floorstanders and Totems are standmounters so is strange comparison

@bdgregory 

I dont need subwoofer now Mirage M1 with Kronzilla has very big and deep bass, I think Sound of this SET is too big for my room sometimes

Question is if Totem Mani-2 can go as low with KR in 25m2 room ? And summary which speakers will be better choice for Kronzilla in this space ( remember I am bass lover )

On paper M1- 25Hz +/-2dB    Mani-2 -  29Hz +/- 3dB 

Mani 2s go fairly low, but I would not say deep bass. You will want a subwoofer for that size room, especially with only 50 watts.

I am familiar with both speakers as two different friends had them for a number of years. The earlier Mani twos had dynaudio drivers they were certainly a step or two up from m1 s not sure how the newer models compare the new Mani twos are not as good as the ones with the dynaudio drivers in them. 

Regard