Moving cables around killed dynamics for days anyone else experience this?

In the workplace you describe, you’re just duplicating a product, not listening like you would at home. As long as it sounds OK and meets the standards, you can then can it and sell it.

nonoise, you’ve missed the point.

If moving a cable changed sound to the degree some audiophiles claim that would be a serious problem for live events. The OP talks about the sound becoming "horrible," bass and dynamics going away, highs losing live etc. If those sonic effects really arose from cables being moved around it would be HEARD and a real problem in the pro audio world.But it’s not. And not because pros don’t care about how things sound. Pros spend more time than most audiophiles on sound, and doing real field work/experimentation with what actually alters sound and to what degree.

Further, your response ignored my reference to studio settings, in which virtually no engineers worry about bass/dynamics/highs being seriously, audible degraded by having moved a cable. Engineers, mixers, recordists etc listen very critically to sound all day long, for sound quality. (I would defy most audiophiles here to identify, for instance, subtle frequency anomalies and how to ’fix them’ to precision a good mixer can provide).

If moving cables collapsed sound, made bass/dynamics etc go away this is something pros would NOTICE and CARE ABOUT. But they don’t bother with it because it’s essentially a non-issue.Audiophiles in their homes are of course free to imagine whatever they want :-)

In the chaos of cables mess in a studio, all the subtle "cues" of the changing sound are lost, and cancelled constantly one another, minutes after minutes...A tangle knot of cables moving will maintain a general figure of sound that will not be disturbing, like ONE cable in a peculiar environment, where the same ears lived alone and attentive to the subtle details....And these " subtle" changes are not always measurable, and if they are, in some private room, it will be difficult to summon the expertise necessary to do it in the exact same condition at another times... Ok I will silence myself …. My best to all...

mahgister

I dont understand that people use their intelligence to defend dogmas or attack dogmas...

I can understand being puzzled about defending dogmas.


But...criticizing dogma is a bad thing?

Whatever leads you to that conclusion?

Typically a dogma is: "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true."

Do you think that’s a good thing? Is there any "authority" (especially in audio) that you know whose statements we must take as "incontrovertibly true?"

If not, why should you think that someone taking a dogmatic stance on an issue - audio or otherwise - means no intelligent person ought to analyze or critique that claim?


That sounds bizarre and unworkable. So...what point are you actually making, I"m wondering?

I dont have opinion or experience with the moves of cable and the changing sound...I respect equally those who have report positively about that and those who are not..The 2 opinions and experience are intriguing and interesting...

Cool. But then...who here do you think is defending dogma and what dogma would that be?

If you think about what I said you have the choice:

You can say that some idiot dont want to attack dogmas... Like you say that I am...

Or thinking that no sane mind can affirm this idiocy, you will arrive at the right conclusion that is mine : it is a waste of time to attack dogmas, all the times, with some people....Use your intelligence not to judge too swiftly...Use the context of a discussion to read something that can make sense out of your world...


You look like me when I was 16 years old and I play to dismantle the arguments of anybody without never listen to reason....My best to you , I am too old to argue... :)

mahgister,

In the chaos of cables mess in a studio, all the subtle "cues" of the changing sound are lost, and cancelled constantly one another, minutes after minutes...A tangle knot of cables moving will maintain a general figure of sound that will not be disturbing, like ONE cable in a peculiar environment, where the same ears lived alone and attentive to the subtle details....And these " subtle" changes are not always measurable, and if they are, in some private room, it will be difficult to summon the expertise necessary to do it in the exact same condition at another times... Ok I will silence myself …. My best to all...

Well, that's a whole lot of conjecture or assertions.

Any actual evidence for them?  Do you have much experience actually working in pro sound?

Again...look at the type of claims being made for moving cables by the OP of drastic audio changes from moving a cable, including loss of bass, dynamics, highs.  You really think if this phenomenon were common that people recording/mixing in studios wouldn't have noticed?

A mixer/recordist works very intently on the sound he's getting, often changing little things for very subtle effects, be it microphones, mic positions, or adjusting EQ etc.  If a cable merely moving actually altered the highs/bass/dynamics to the significant degree claimed by the OP,  that would be heard!  It would necessitate for instance ADJUSTING EQ settings to compensate "damn, I'd spent all that time getting it sounding precisely how I wanted, but now the sound has changed and I have to start again!"

This DOES NOT HAPPEN (in any situation I've ever heard about) which is why it's the provenance of subjectivist audiophiles, but not professionals who spend their careers in sound.

In my daily job doing sound design I am adjusting mix levels and often EQ of many tracks combined (for a given movie scene I may have, say, 6 - 10 stereo tracks, and 12 mono tracks...sometimes many more! - that I'm carefully mixing so the addition of one sound *just barely* alters the whole combination.  I have to sometimes move cables and this never results in the sonic changes mentioned by the OP, or anything that changes the very careful, subtle mixing I achieved).  


Which is just what would be expected.  Unless the cables in question were insufficient for the job or somehow defective enough to screw up the sound if moved.  (Which is certainly an issue: rule one when having sound problems is usually "check your cables."  But that is for significantly audible defects brought on by some failure in the wiring, not the phenomenon claimed by the "cable lifers" here).