Musetec (LKS) MH-DA005 DAC

@lordmelton

I saw your post in the "Emm Labs DV2 versus Tambaqui" thread before it was removed. Go easy on these guys.

It’s very hard for them to get away from two of their fundamentals: (1) There is a strong correlation in DACs between price and sound quality, and (2) You can’t build a truly outstanding DAC around a pair of ESS chips. Then there is the "chifi" stuff. This nonsense has been pounded into everyone by the audio press and multiplied in the forums. So do you think they’re going to easily believe that a $3000 Chinese DAC using ESS chips can outperform a $13,000 European DAC based on an FPGA?

I don’t think so.

So do you think they’re going to easily believe that a $3000 Chinese DAC using ESS chips can outperform a $13,000 European DAC based on an FPGA?

I don’t think so.

So there we have it. How predictable. The subtle implication that all these low-IQ, gullible audiophiles who have been brainwashed by the audio press and jingoism don’t know any better. Only a ’select’ few know the truth that all expensive dacs are basically snake oil and anyone who believes otherwise is either ill-informed or simpletons. The messiah complex strikes again! Lol!

@melm I apologise  Man, maybe crossed the line a bit but some of these guys either don't have the resolving power in their system to differentiate DACs or they are so dyed in the wool with their own dogmas that nothing will shift them.

Some of them are still holding on to their old DACs for grim death...haha.

Anyway yesterday I put all suspicions to rest that The 005 couldn't go up against the big boys or perform excellently in a true reference system.

Completely blew my dealer away when he heard it in his $500k reference system, and absolutely trounced his $40k reference DAC.

The soundstage is massive at least twice of the other DAC by width and depth.

My dealer was hearing things for the first time on his reference recordings. We played mostly Jazz and 60s/70s rock.

He loved it so much he asked to borrow it for a week until he could get one.

Anyway lots of naysayers out there including my dealer originally.

The 005, if ONLY for the money is a game-changer but it's a World Class DAC that could grace any system.

Just remember that all the Audio Reviewers get paid or get freebies to review.

Happy Listening and thanks again Melm for bringing the 005 to our attention.

@yyzsantabarbara

I too was curious about a Denafrips DDC almost a year ago.  I would like to share my experience for what it's worth.  About a year ago, I briefly owned a Denafrips Hermes DDC (Gais's little brother) and a Terminator Plus DAC.  The Plus provided two clock signals to the Hermes via two $26 clock cables and the Hermes provided an I2S signal to the Plus via an $80 HDMI cable.  Upstream of the Hermes, I had my USB chain at the time which consisted of the opticalRendu, Uptone ISO Regen, and Innuous Phoenix USB.  The oR and ISO Regen had a DC power solution better than Farad Super3 power supplies with upgraded cables.  The USB chain was finished off with the excellent Shunyata Alpha USB cable.  Side note: someone mentioned The Cable Company's lending library above and I used that service to demo the Alpha USB cable about 2 years ago.  It's a service I like to use now and then.

At the time, I also owned a Benchmark DAC3 B.  For both the Terminator Plus and the DAC3, I preferred the full USB chain without the Hermes clocked by the Plus.  I mentioned the cost of the clock and HDMI cables above because I believe they were weak links in the comparison especially when going up against the Shunyata Alpha USB cable which is now retailing for $1500.  So this is the tricky part with trying to compare any DAC's USB input to say the same DAC's AES input.  The digital cable and everything else up the chain from it matter so it's not even close to being an apples to apples comparison.  I also ended up preferring the music from the DAC3 over the Plus.  Knowing I was going to sell the Denafrips gear and get some funds, I ordered a new streamer to see if it could beat my USB chain.  That's how I arrived to my current streamer the Grimm MU1.  And based on my experience with Shunyata digital cables I didn't fool around and bought their top of the line Shunyata Omega AES cable.  This streamer and cable is now what I use on the 005 and the Benchmark DAC3 DX.

Regarding DAC pricing, I preferred the $2000 DAC to the $6000 DAC so it's not hard for me to believe a $3000 DAC can be better than a much higher priced DAC.  After comparing the DAC3 to the Plus, I thought I had to go the Tambaqui level to get a really good improvement but I'm very happy to say the 005 has given me what I wanted at a much lower price point.  This last weekend was one of my best listening sessions ever with the Sennheiser IE900 and Benchmark HPA4. 

I would like to thank yyzsantabarbara for helping me find the 005.  I found his experience wit the Benchmark DAC3 mirrored my experience exactly down to selling it at one point and rebuying it.  So naturally when he upgraded to the 005, I knew I had to try.  Great decision!

@sirnui I find your experiments extremely interesting. In my limited experience and knowledge of clocks I find a number of issues. I recently tried an audiophile network switch with TXCO clock (marketed as OXCO clock) inferior to router straight out to server. I heard what impressed me as an excessive clocking sound quality in that images too tightly drawn. I've since learned clock incompatibility is real issue, frequency, square wave vs sine wave. Clock cables and cable length also have bearing on sq.

Do I understand you correctly in that you're using AES input on 005 vs USB? Have you tried USB input with 005 in present setup?

I have to say I'm biased against Denafrips gear since trying Hyperion amp a few years ago. Dark and veiled, small sound stage, two dimensional imaging, not even close to my push pull and SET tube amps, or even a Musical Fidelity M2si I was auditioning at same time. I thought anyone voicing component to sound like that was playing voicing games with an entire Denafrips setup. I want my components to sound neutral, I have other means to voice.