Optimizing HT setup for Analog: Where to begin?


I'd like to optimize for analog listening.  My setup:

Panasonic Elite 120w AVR
Technics 1200 Fully KAB Upgraded
Kef LS50 L/C/R
Puffin Phono Stage
DIY Interconnect + Speaker

Most of my vinyl is QRP / MoFi / Blue Note / Tone Poet reissues of 50s/60s jazz -- really good quality.  I can just barely sus-out a sound stage for most of these recordings.  I'm missing the depth that so many talk about.  

Where should I start spending $?
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The problem most likely is you are using an AVR - at least that is my own experience. I spent good money going from a highly rated Denon AVR receiver to separate Mcintosh and Lexicon HT equipment, with various speaker changes, trying to get it. It was great for movies/surround sound, but neither ever sounded great in stereo, never had a great sound-stage. Switched it all out to stereo. If you need to keep the HT, I would suggest getting a high-quality integrated made for stereo with a HT by-pass, you will get the sound stage you are looking for in pure stereo. That is my costly experience. One cheaper suggestion, disconnect the center channel and hear/see what happens. 
Right. AVR is crap. All of them. That and the center channel speaker, plus whatever else you have in the middle, these are all death to imaging and stage depth. 

The good news is a good stereo integrated amp and two speakers is way better quality for way less money than three speakers. With only two you can afford some quality wire too. DIY wire is your second crappiest component. There just aren't any good DIY wires. Period! I have one right now someone sent me as proof I am wrong, that only proved how right I am.

Where you start almost doesn't even matter, but since the AVR is such a total piece of junk, that only serves as a reason to keep the center channel you don't need, I would start with a good integrated amp. If you can stretch to $3k the Raven Nighthawk is an outstanding amp good enough to serve you the rest of your life, or for sure be an anchor piece for a good ten years. What's your budget?
Get a dedicated 2 channel only integrated. You are wasting your time trying to make a HT amp sound good for 2 channel audio. They are purpose built multi channel devices and should remain in that realm.
Excellent! ...and here I thought this would be a difficult question to answer! HT bypass - I’ll read up on this. I didn’t know it was a thing.

fwiw, I do run the AVR in 2 channel mode on "pure bypass" which is a setting that removes the digital processing. Also, I when listing to vinyl I have it set at 2 channel only mode. Probably doesn’t make much of a difference though I’d guess based on the feedback so far.

I do also have a PSA sub to fill in the lower end.

Is the power amp or pre-amp the most important when talking about sound stage / depth? I have pre outs where I could send L/R to a more capable power amp if you think that would be a good option.

My main problem, is that I have to keep the 5.1 setup / avr. There really isn’t a way around this due to space considerations.  Also, as far as budget -- I'd like to stay just shy of diminishing returns in audio equipment.  I'd expect this to be around $1k, $1.5k, but i'm open to stretching.  My theory is to spend enough to remove all reasonable doubt :) 
You got your answer for a good starting place, an integrated with home theater bypass.  And yes a decent quality integrated will sound much better than the "pure direct" on your AVR.

The amp and preamp both matter, but the preamp has more to do with letting the sound from your source get to the speakers in my opinion.  

Some other things to think about... better feet for your SL 1200 if you haven't done that already, upgrading the Puffin, and perhaps your cartridge, which you didn't mention.  The Puffin is really nice at it's price, but you will get a fuller, richer, and more dynamic sound with a better phono stage.  I use a Pass Labs XP-15 with my SL1200 MKII.  The Hana SL has been the best sounding cartridge I've tried on mine.

Soundstage will have more to do with your speakers and your room.  I haven't heard the LS50, but they are supposed to image very well.  Have you experimented with placement?  Have you done any room treatment?
Greg - on the TT setup:  I have both the AT440/OCC and Denon DL-110 cart that I swap out.  I upgraded the feet a while back too.  The puffin is interesting with it's analog -> dsp -> analog processing.  In the end though, I don't really like to fiddle with things.  My next phono stage will likely be something from bottlehead.  My quarantine project was one of their headphone amps and I'm very impress with the build quality and sound.

On the topic of placement and room treatments - I don't have many options here - the room is multipurpose.  The good thing is that it's a carpeted and fully finished basement, but I know I can do better.    
Good luck to find a good integrated amp. with HT bypass for
1500$ .

Hegel H190  , used , may be the closest priced  integrated amp. with HT bypass .
From owners manual : 
´´  HT
Most inputs can be configured to act as a Home Theater input. This will set the input volume at a fixed high volume level. ´´
Just curious - will the Phono stage in some of the integrates be better than the puffin?  Parasound P6, Peachtree Nova150/300/500, etc.  

And also, what's the difference between HT Bypass and a good 2amp/1speaker switchbox?  Aren't these functionally the same?