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You may want to know what you're speaking of before posting Jetter. If I RECALL correctly Schubert served as an infantryman during the Vietnam War. While I certainly don't agree with all his comments I certainly respect HIM more than those that started conflicts that NEVER served. Before this thread unravels and goes down a rabbit hole I might suggest we don't ascribe intentions or LABELS to those who's views don't reflect our own without knowing that person. |
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Who cares Jetter about your Uncle or draft status during Vietnam, I was lucky too, the lottery in '69 remember? My number was 327 like the short block Chevy engine, one of my favorites, so what? I lost a uncle one of the first casualties of the Battle of the Bulge, his photo is in the link below, T3 James McGee http://www.battleofthebulgememories.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:the-... No one questions your loyalty to this country Jetter but your "waive their little pinkie in the air" comment was too much for me to remain quiet. That "badge" of loyalty is just phony baloney to me. I lost 6 close friends in Vietnam, guys I grew up with some going back to grade school. Not to mention the one's that were irreparably damaged from their service and the crap that they faced from the "left" anti-war protesters of that era, many of the SAME folks that are "conservatives" today. It's funny how personal economic conditions can assuage political positions over time. It ISN'T political, it's real people that are suffering and the politicians are just bought and sold by special interests. Anyone that can't or don't recognize or get caught up in the "false" narrative that many of these folks brought it on themselves OR that each man is an island to himself "what you reap, and so shall you sow" is, well I wish them well and hope they never have to go through what folks that have truly suffered have and do. |
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Montreal is where Ronnie Hawkins put together, one player at a time, many different incarnations of his backing band, The Hawks. The longest-lived of those was the one that included amongst it’s members Levon Helm, J.R. Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard Manual, and Garth Hudson. Never liking being someone else’s employee, at a certain point Levon suggested they go it alone. And so they did, first as The Canadian Squyers, then Levon & The Hawks, then just The Hawks, working with John Hammond Jr., and ultimately Bob Dylan, as his 1965-66 world tour road band. After a motorcycle accident laid him up, cancelling the next leg of the tour, Dylan brought them up to Woodstock, where he lived. There they found themselves a split-level rental-house with a basement in which to set-up, rehearse, and record. They spent 1967 doing all that, the recordings end up being called The Basement Tapes. Capitol Records offered The Hawks a record contract, and they spent late ’67/early ’68 recording their debut album in NYC and Los Angeles. They were also working on coming up with a new band name, The Hawks not sounding very contemporary. The were surprised when they saw the test pressings for the album, emblazened with a name someone else came up with, The Band. The release of that album, Music From Big Pink, absolutely rocked the music world, actually changing it’s trajectory. Eric Clapton heard it, said to himself, and I quote: "Music had been going in the wrong direction for a long time. When I heard it (MFBP), I thought to myself "Well, someone’s finally gone and done it right." He disbanded Cream, perhaps the biggest band in the world, going to Woodstock to hang with The Band, waiting, as he now laughs, for them to ask him to join. It eventually dawned on him they didn’t need him, so he went looking for someone to play "real" music with, as a hired gun. He joined Delaney & Bonnie’s band, where he met all the guys he ended up picking to be in his subsequent band, Derek & The Dominoes. It’s so funny that the whole "Americana" movement is traced back to the recording of those basement tapes, music played by a band containing four Canadians---Levon Helm is from Chicken Scratch (seriously!) Arkansas, Dylan from of course Hibbing Minnesota. A Pass amp, or any other great piece of gear you can name, would be nice to have to listen to Music From Big Pink through, but listening to it, really listening to it, is what it takes to "get it". Getting it can be done through a boombox, it just takes a little more work! |
IMO Montreal is greatest city in North America and Ottawa is not far behind . I owned a tree farm not far from either in Vermont and spent a lot of time with some Canadian friends Most important thing I learned there, to me at least, was that Canadians are patriotic, Americans Nationalist . BIG difference . jetter, no knock on you at all, some people are more self-centered than others , takes all kinds . |
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Been through Woodstock many times, not a skier so I don’t notice that much. Woodstock is nice but like many Vermont towns a tourist trap . I owned a 300 acre tree-farm just north of Richford 3 miles from Canadian border, about 45 miles to Montreal . Most professional soldiers think Army is just a job and we got paid . Cheers |
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Son of a .....! I take my sister to the VA hospitals and clinics in Portland and Vancouver a few times a month---she was in the Navy, and is now partially-disabled. Ya’ll know the cuts in funding for services for working class people in the new federal budget proposal were put in to offset the tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, right? |
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That is because of the huge numbers killed by Stalin and Hitler in their massacres. If memory serves Stalin alone killed 30 million (average of estimates). Official estimate of total civilian deaths alone in WW II is 50-55 million. China alone reported 20 million deaths. If you throw in war related disease and famine the estimates get up around 80 million. |
Stalin, Mao and Hitler were all mass murderers, but there is an important distinction. Stalin and Mao both won and Hitler lost. Germany was utterly destroyed at the end of WW2 with 8 million dead and another 1.5 to 2 million to die in the immediate post war era. Upon his death Stalin left the Soviet Union as the second largest economic and military power in the world. Mao took a nation that had been totally shattered by decades of civil war and Japanese invasion/occupation and turned it into a productive, nuclear armed power. Essentially he laid the groundwork for China's explosive economic growth in the 80s and after. History "likes" winners. Was Julius Caesar any less of a mass murderer than these guys? |
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Since Stalin and Mao did in about 80 million, most would say Caesar isn’t quite in their league. Nor is it a matter of what economic path or ideology you adhere to . Stalin was a communist, Hitler the most anti-communist person in history. It’s the fact you are a Dictator , being able to play God brings out the devil in anyone . From a theological view, killing one child brings you into the same league . Hiroshima . |
History "likes" winners. @onhwy61 , that is because "History" is written by the winners. Had the British won the Revolutionary war, the South won the Civil war, or Germany won WWII, our history books would be very different, yet the "good guys" would have still won. Of course, the "good guys" always win in the history books, because the books are written by the winners. ;^) Very interesting link between Nelson Pass and Joseph Stalin...... |
(Had) Germany won WWII, our history books would be very different, yet the "good guys" would have still won. Norman Spinrad: The Iron Dream" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Dream And, of course Phillip K Dick: "The Man in the High Castle" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle |
Actually, the South has won the battle of history. "The Birth Of the Nation" and "Gone With the Wind" sealed the deal. True, it's not popularly called the War of Northern Aggression, but for generations the cause of the war -- the continuation and geographic expansion of slavery -- was obscured by arguments about states rights. Just this past week our President made statements minimizing the importance of slavery in the conflict. To this day there are more U.S. military bases named after confederate leaders than Northern generals. Genghis Khan is generally considered the worst mass killer in history, but Caesar's Gaul campaigns probably put him over the 1 million killed milestone. I don't know for a fact, but as a percentage of the population that may actually put him "ahead" of the big league 20th century tyrants. How come Emperor Hirohito gets a pass. Military deaths, war crimes and starvation in the Pacific/SE Asia war area approach 10 million and that doesn't include their actions in China. |
Let’s not forget Khmer Rouge (Cambodia) Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia Wikipedia › wiki › Khmer_Rouge Jump to Number of deaths - In 2014, two Khmer Rouge leaders, Nuon Chea and Kheiu Samphan, were jailed for life by a UN-backed court, which found them guilty of crimes against humanity and responsible for the deaths of up to 2 million Cambodians (Khmer), nearly a quarter of the country’s then population, during the "Killing Fields" era between 1975 and 1979. |
I did not say he gets a pass, I said "from a theological view " . A well known prophet said "Love thy Enemy " . He didn’t say it to help your enemy , but to tell you that in the long run, aka infinity, what your enemy does is on him, what you do is on you . Same reasoning behind another well known saying of his, "turn the other cheek " . Most of the 30-40 thousand kids that died in Hiroshima never were in the Army . Not to mention every honest historian knows A-bomb was dropped to show Russia we had one after they defeated Hitler and started to invade Japan . Japan had peace feelers out at the time . |
The 200,000 civilians (many of whom were women and children) that were slaughtered by the Japanese in the Rape of Nan King in 1937 were not in the army either. If the USA didn't drop the bomb and had to invade Japan a whole lot more than 40,000 children would have died. The estimate was close to a million US and 7 to 8 million Japanese casualties. Many of them would have been innocent women and children. At the end of WWII the Soviets had the biggest and most powerful army in the world. There was nothing stopping them from driving the Americans and the Brits out of Western Europe. It could have been another Dunkirk only on a much bigger scale and with much worse results. The only reason that Stalin didn't go any farther was because he knew we had the bomb and that we would use it on every major city in the USSR. While the bomb took about 200,000 lives it saved potentially millions. Both the Germans and the Japanese were both working on the bomb. If either one of them would gotten there first they would have used it. |
