Sound Stage and Imaging

@mijostyn

Ive always wondered about using larger driver subs. Thank you for explaining those size limitations, good to know from someone that has actually experienced the effect of between 12 and 15inch drivers. Can only imagine how amazing your setup sounds!

I’ve only (currently) got a rel t/7x. I do like it a lot, but hoping to move to something open baffle, and two of them (each with a 12 or something to that effect) to better balance the room and control modes, blow open a more true stage. I’m sure it would become a bit of a crossover adjustment nightmare, and might need to get into some software but would be so cool. Am waiting until I might move into a larger space, however. But even if my current space is relatively small, wondering what at least a second rel sub could do.

I can passionately recommend a used pair of Alon (now Nola) 4 or 5's, which can be found for less that $2k. The open baffle mid and tops provide incredible soundstaging with pinpoint imagery when driven by a big solid state amp like a Krell ksa 100. The sealed 12 inch bass driver provides mind-boggling bass.

I keep a hot rodded pair of Alon iv's (they have the mid range driver and tweeter from the v's, also used in then range topper Phalanx, easily done with help from Carl at Nola) as my spare speaker. They were my main speakers for over ten years, loved them so much i couldn't part with them.

You didn't mention the genres you enjoy, but the Alons were a triumph whatever i played through them, from jazz soul and trip hop to deep house and drum and bass.

As mentioned, my single sub is 18". Don't want to trust it to handle 100 Hz (and the Nautilus are not known to be 'weak down low'.

But I have to go high in my small setup with various small bookshelf speakers, some of them do NOT feel good handling 80 or lower (certainly not at higher SPL), so there i need to drive the DD15 sub to 100 Hz. 

@riccitone 

A second sub will do a whole lot. The only limitation on subwoofer size and numbers is the room you have for them. There are excellent drivers available today that can operate in very small enclosures, you just need more power. I advise against open baffle subwoofers. I tried that approach as I have been using open baffle speakers (ESLs) since 1978-9. The thought was that it would match them better. It was a mess. The wavelengths are too long. Subwoofers are omnidirectional and the out-of- phase waves cancel in an unpredictable pattern literally canceling out some notes. Today with digital crossovers and time alignment it is a breeze to match subs perfectly. One subwoofer is always a mistake, it is  putting your bass in prison. The minimum for a point source system is two. Open baffle speakers by all means, but not the subwoofers.

A hifi shop owner that got a fat stack from me recently knows how to make speakers sing. I used to stop in monthly and listen and he could take a pair of large floor standers and have them sound like a live band one time and the next visit, in the same room, same wall have them sound like mini monitors. I’ve heard him do it with every new feature speaker he demonstrates. 

I asked him how he does it and I get a smile back for an answer.