VPI Aries 3 Questions - Looking to make a switch


I have a VPI Aries 3 turntable with the following upgrades. Periphery Clamp, Mini HRX Feet, Super Platter, XLR Junction Box, SDS Speed Controller, Single Flywheel motor. I am presently running a Lyra Delos with 200 hours on it. I love the sound of the turntable, but it is simply too big in my opinion. 

I am pondering trading it for a VPI Classic 3 or similar. I also can get a good deal on an AMG Giro. I am wondering how the performance of my current rig would compare with a smaller footprint VPI like a classic 3. I don't want to take a step backwards. I was also wondering how my current rig would compare in performance to the AMG Giro.

I was also wondering what my rig is worth with and without the Lyra Delos? 

Thank you.

pilrem

Get a Classic platter.....the SuperPlatter sounded dead on my Superscoutmaster.

VPI for VPI, you'd lose an isolated motor and your speed controller, which both contribute to better SQ, and are offered on most of their best tables. The xlr junction box could easily be installed on the Classic3, and is worth the effort IMHE.

You don't mention which tonearm, but VPI made a number od changes during the period you're looking at. 3D is an improement, as are the better mounting method that took place between 12.6 and 12.7 (similar probably happened on the shorter arms).

No first-hand experience with AMG. 

Any consideration to Sota? Small footprint, vacuum beats the periphery clamp imho, stable, full suspension beats the vpi feet and size needed to isolate the motor. Also plentiful upgrade path like you have leveraged. I won't go back to VPI fwiw. 

Cheers,

Spencer

You have a great table and set-up. The super platter has a non-inverted bearing which is superior to later VPI designs IMO. It's hard to know exactly the nature of the AMG bearing from the printed descriptions in the reviews, all of them merely repeating AMG's publicity.  However since the bearing is actually one of the 3 feet, I assume it is also a non-inverted bearing.   A platter, by the way, is supposed to be dead. Otherwise you'll have resonances.

If you haven’t done it in a while you might want to check the bearing for wear both the ball and the plate. It can easily be brought to better than new.

It’s not clear what you would expect to improve with the AMG TT.

The Classic offers no significant improvement over the Aries 3 - you might go backwards.

The weak point is the VPI arm - why don't you look into upgrading the VPI arm to a non VPI arm & new cartridge  on the Aries. That will give you maximum improvement for the dollars invested in my view.

The AMG Giro is underwhelming - very smooth, but lacking punch and dynamics, despite being better built than both the VPI's.

 

Thank you for the responses. I do love the sound of my current Aries 3 through my system; ARC PH-8, ARC REF-6, ARC REF75se, AQ Niagara 5000, AQ William Tell Zero and Bass. AQ Waters. Aurender A10, Vandersteen Quattro CT. This system has nice synergy.

The Tonearm that I presently have is the JMW 10.5i with Nordost wires. Would a gimbaled arm or fat boy be an upgrade?

Any recommendations on cart and tonearm upgrades? Perhaps I will check this out because a move to a Classic 3 or AMG Giro would not be a step forward?

Any opinion on how much benefit I am getting from the single flywheel motor? Would there be a noticeable loss if I went back to a standard motor?