What does it take to be a die hard Beatles fan?


I am the first to admit that I am a Beatles fan. And might even say that I am die hard. A recent film and recent album has me questioning the latter.

Peter Jackson's film "Get Back" and the 2022 "de-mixed" release of "Revolver" were both somewhat over the top for even a long time Beatles fan.

I had difficulty getting through both the film and the album.

Yes, it was pretty cool to get an inside look at the prep for the famous rooftop concert. But it became tedious to listen to all the "bla bla" in the studio and the endless fiddling of non Beatles songs.

Not to mention all that time "practicing" in the studio to come up with 3 or 4 songs.

And it was cool to hear the de-mixed versions of Revolver material, but 63 tracks with much relatively meaningless stuff took me 2 days to get through. 

I certainly can appreciate the attraction to the behind the scenes things.

But neither the film or the album gave me much insight into who these guys are were/are.

The film was especially disappointing.

 

 

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Showing 7 responses by tylermunns

@bdp24 “That damn sitar ruined George as a guitarist”

What could possibly support such a statement?

John & Paul increasingly wrote apart not together (they really needed each other, the whole being vastly greater than the sum of it's parts)”

- P.S. I Love You (Paul)
- Please Please Me (John)
- All My Loving (Paul)
- All I’ve Got to Do (John)
- This Boy (John)
- Things We Said Today (Paul)
- I Should Have Known Better (John)
- She’s a Woman (Paul)
- I Feel Fine (John)
- I’ll Follow the Sun (Paul)
- I’m a Loser (John)
- Yes it Is (John)
- The Night Before (Paul)
- It’s Only Love (John)
- I’ve Just Seen a Face (Paul)
- You’ve Got to Hide Your Love Away (John)
- Yesterday (Paul)
- Day Tripper (John)
- You Won’t See Me (Paul)
- Nowhere Man (John)
- I’m Looking Through You (Paul)
- Girl (John)
- Paperback Writer (Paul)
- I’m Only Sleeping (John)
- Here, There and Everywhere (Paul)
- She Said, She Said (John)
- For No One (Paul)
- Got to Get You Into My Life (Paul)
- Strawberry Fields Forever (John)
- Penny Lane (Paul)
- Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (John)
- Fixing a Hole (Paul)
- All You Need is Love (John)
- Hello, Goodbye (Paul)
- I am the Walrus (John)
- Your Mother Should Know (Paul)
- The Fool on the Hill (Paul)
- Across the Universe (John)
- Lady Madonna (Paul)
- Dear Prudence (John)
- Martha My Dear (Paul)
- Glass Onion (John)
- Blackbird (Paul)
- Happiness is a Warm Gun (John)
- I Will (Paul)
- Julia (John)
- Mother Nature’s Son (Paul)
- Sexy Sadie (John)
- Honey Pie (Paul)
- Cry Baby Cry (John)
- Hey Jude (Paul)
- Dig a Pony (John)
- Let it Be (Paul)
- Because (John)
- You Never Give Me Your Money (Paul)
- Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (John)
- Maybe I’m Amazed (Paul)
- Mother (John)
- Junk (Paul)
- Isolation (John)
- Too Many People (Paul)
- Remember (John)
- Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey (Paul)
- Love (John)
- Backseat of My Car (Paul)
- Look at Me (John)
- Band on the Run (Paul)
- Imagine (John)
- Let ‘Em In (Paul)
- Jealous Guy (John)
- Arrow Through Me (Paul)
- Oh My Love (John)
- Woman is the N***** of the World (John)  
- #9 Dream (John)
- Beautiful Boy (John)
- Free as a Bird (John)
- Grow Old with Me (John)

I think either John or Paul, whether it was early days, middle days, later days, or solo days, did okay on their own.

 

@bdp24 You didn’t answer the question.
I’ll ask it another way:
how can playing sitar “ruin” a guitar player’s guitar-playing ability?

 

@nakam I included “I Should Have Known Better” from A Hard Day’s Night.  
“This Boy,” which I included, was released just 2 months prior (only 1 month prior in the US) to the A Hard Day’s Night sessions.  
“If I Fell” from A Hard Day’s Night is one of my all-time favorite Beatles/John songs, but Paul wrote the absolutely brilliant stand-alone intro section (a significant contribution, which Paul referred to as a ‘preamble’) so I didn’t count that one as a full-on “John song.”  

“Any Time at All” is another great John song off that LP, but Paul wrote the really cool instrumental bridge section, so I didn’t count that one either.
I suppose I should have included John’s “A Hard Day’s Night.”  
Personally, that’s never been a song I was particularly smitten with.  
I’m pretty lukewarm towards “You Can’t Do That” (similar song to the title track) but I should have included that one too.
John’s A Hard Day’s Night song “Tell Me Why” is pretty good.  
I probably should have thrown that one in there too.
 

@bdp24
The fact you ask that question is evidence you know nothing about being a musician.
non sequitur, Ad Hominem, Ad Verecundiam.

Q: What could possibly support such a statement? (‘sitar ruined George as a guitarist.’)

A: I listen to Dave Edmunds, Albert Lee, Ry Cooder, Richard Thompson, and dozens of other better guitarists…
non sequitur, red herring.

The fact that you,
a) issued these responses to a good faith question (‘how did playing sitar ruin George’s guitar playing?) with a blatantly dismissive tone and a baseless attack on my credibility, and
b) of course, not once actually answered my question (‘George said he didn’t play as much guitar in his late-20s as he did in his teens/early-20s’ is obviously not an answer to the question),
is evidence of insecurity and desperation.

I’ve been a professional, multi-instrumentalist musician (lead vocals, harmony vocals, lead guitar - I’m damn good, too - bass, and piano - plus, a band leader/arranger/musical director of multiple 3.5-hour-long shows of 15+-piece ensembles of 7-piece string sections, 5-piece woodwind sections to guitars, keys, bass, percussion and 5-part vocal arrangements) for over 20 years.

Not only has playing other instruments improved my ability in previously-played instruments, it is common knowledge that playing other instruments makes one a better musician.

The difference between the charmingly-melodic-but-somewhat-clunky-and-awkward playing of George’s early years (something tells me you’re not a guitar player) and the objectively-higher-proficiency playing that defines his late-‘60s-and-up playing is unmistakable to any actual guitar player.
I’d be willing to bet that 10/10 actual guitar players familiar with the Beatles/George would say the same.
As can see, there are several reasons why I felt compelled to ask you how it was possible that playing sitar “ruined” George’s guitar playing.
As you can see, one of us has simply asked a question, and the other one’s response was a baseless, inexplicable attack on the questioner’s credibility (for some reason), a complete avoidance of the question, and a voluminous stream of illogic.
As even you @bdp24 can see, I’m WAY ahead of you.

 

 

Somehow this got on the most tiresome of tiresome things: Eric Clapton.

I get it.
“There but for the grace of God go I.”

I too could have been a Baby Boomer.
I too could have been brainwashed by the Baby Boomer Music Media Industrial Complex, that festering, fetid ideation and myth-making that brainwashed people into thinking Clapton was an exceptional guitar player.
He wasn’t. He was a bit above average, no better, no less.

Spare me your Jann Wenner regurgitations, i.e. “he brought the blues to the masses,” “he was a sincere, serious student of the blues” (a hilarious thing to say about learning a I-IV-V chord progression and peddling stock minor pentatonic licks - a person is a ‘student’ of such for a month after they begin learning to play guitar, and that’s all folks…it’s like saying a guy who still mans the fry station at McDonalds after 25 years is a ‘serious student of the fry station.’), or “Eddie Van Halen said, ‘(blank),’” or “(so-and-so) once said, ‘(blank),” or, for the love of Christ, spare me, “have you ever heard Riding With the King?” (sweet bastard…puke).

That’s cute and all that Rolling Stone told you he was #2 all-time (patently preposterous) after they deified him for 50 years prior, but he ain’t.

I’ve never been good at self-promotion.
If I had any sense, I would just photograph a spray painted message on a wall that said “TYLER MUNNS IS GOD.” Just get that puppy well-circulated, and I’d be in business.

Clearly people believe anything they read.
An observably bad, observably incompetent person with no credentials or qualifications of any kind, no credibly whatsoever when speaking on a particular matter, can go on TV and address the matter in question thusly:
“I’m the best, the smartest, I’m tremendous, I’m YuGe, no one knows more about (blank) than me, no one is better at (blank) than me…” and people just…believe the words.

I might have to stop by the hardware store tomorrow and pick up some spray paint…


 

@stuartk I share your assessment of “Sgt. Pepper.”  
The White Album, an album that contains compositions like, “Martha My Dear,” “Blackbird,” “Happiness is a Warm Gun,” “Julia,” “Dear Prudence,” “Cry Baby Cry,” “While My Guitar Gently Weeps,” “Sexy Sadie,” “I Will,” “Mother Nature’s Son,” and emerged from the same sessions that produced, “Hey Jude” clearly constitute the Beatles at peak-level musical composition.  
That grouping of compositions (the compositions stand on their own, free of the showy, ‘look at all the crazy studio stuff we can do!’ adornments of ‘66-‘67, which are amazing in their own right) shows far greater consistency and depth in its plethora of harmonically and structurally sophisticated compositions (but still immediately accessible and immediately satisfying to the laymen - not an easy thing to accomplish) than previous or subsequent LPs.  
No other Beatles album had a dozen songs at that level, before or after.

You’re incorrect on the song, “Something,” by the way.

George Harrison played that guitar solo.

@stuartk 
Here’s a snippet from Guitar World magazine:

Because Studio Two was the only studio in Abbey Road with the new TG console, the mics in Studio One were patched into the Studio Two console for this session. Geoff Emerick and co-engineer Phil McDonald had visual contact via a closed-circuit TV.  ​​​​​​​

Harrison also rerecorded his guitar solo in Studio Two at this session. According to details on the tape box, the solo was recorded after the orchestra session was completed, but Emerick maintains that the solo was cut simultaneously with the orchestra and on one or both of the same tracks.

“George certainly rose to the occasion and pulled it off brilliantly,” Emerick says.