Why will no other turntable beat the EMT 927?


Having owned many good turntables in my audiophile life I am still wondering why not one of the modern designs of the last 20 years is able to beat the sound qualities of an EMT 927.
New designs may offer some advantages like multiple armboards, more than one motor or additional vibration measurements etc. but regarding the sound quality the EMT is unbeatable!
What is the real reason behind this as the machine is nearly 60 years old, including the pre-versions like the R-80?
thuchan
Dear Lewm,
Suspense is the most important ingredient of a good thread.
Suspension is one of the secrets of a good working 927!

I see you are philosophically locked. In this case there is only one doctor who can help but I see he already came running into your direction.

Why is this idler drive being able to reproduce music from a record in such a fantastic way? I am sure it has something to do with the technological concept, the building quality, the big motor which summs up to a revolving stability just from the spot. You do not have it with a 930 in the same way. But look at the many good answers on these pages which should give an idea why it is the way it is.

At the moment I am using a DST 62 in my old Ortofon tonearm tracking with 6,25 p. The SUT which is transfering the phono signal to the EMT phono pre is a Neumann BV33.
You need to hear this, it is a stable, powerful and harmonic sound, not highlighting the highs or the deeps in one or the other direction. Do you mind if you are confronted with a powerful sound, clear, precise, warm & with a deep dimension picture?

This is not a gentle breeze or a softly singing bird just allowing you to do other things while listening. Here you are entangled and engaged. You like this? Whenever you have the chance to audition one of these machines which are older than we pls. let me know that I am not completely on the wrong track...

Yes dear Lew, ''All'' those languges have equivalent methaphors

but in translation they all mean the same: ''pulling (Thuchan's) or

someone else leg (grin).

Dear Thuchan, I have never seen an EMT 927 in the flesh or even up for sale anywhere in the USA. So, it is unlikely I will ever get the opportunity to hear one, let alone buy one.  And then if you buy one, you need to know the right sorcerers (probably in Germany) to bring it back to life, such as you have done.  But it does seem that you have here voted for the EMT 927 over the Caliburn, in the context of your latest post. 
Dear Lewm,
There are some 927 in the US. Recently I just got information from a friend who aquired one from a studio in Illinois. Of course you need a good restoring shop - but there should be some too. So there is hope 😉.
You're right on the sorcerers in Germany, Austria and the Netherlands.
The R80 and the Continuum are two different animals. I enjoy the Criterion very much. Nevertheless - and here you are right again - the EMT is my favourite.

This thread has caused me to read all I can find about these EMT turntables, specifically the 927 and 930. Like Lewm, I doubt that I will ever have the opportunity to actually hear one, but they do have an extensive following around the world, so maybe I will have the good fortune to hear one someday somewhere. I am somewhat skeptical about any turntable declared the best that is also unobtainable, since its greatness can't be widely verified.

Over the years, I have collected nice representatives of the various design approaches to turntables. For direct drive, my prize is the Krebs-modified Technics SP 10 MK 3 resting in the Porter panzerholz plinth; for idler drive, a nicely restored and heavily modified Thorens TD 124; and for belt drive, the Basis Debut Signature Vacuum. All of these produce great sound. The Technics is peerless in speed stability (borne out by the Sutherland Timeline moving less than an inch on a wall 24 feet away over the course of one side of a record) and casting a huge soundstage, although not as huge as the Basis. For sheer beauty of sound, I turn to the Basis. There is something magical about the Basis' ability to reproduce a concert hall in my listening room, but with a vague uneasiness about speed stability in general and more so in heavily modulated grooves, also borne out by the Timeline. The Thorens is idler driven as are the EMT tables, and the Thorens occasionally impresses me with pace and attack but little else. Although I listen mostly to classical, the Thorens has a very persuasive way with jazz. But I do love them all and play them all often; maybe the Technics a little more often than the others.

Please understand that I know the Thorens is a complete lightweight compared to the EMT tables, but I don't like the noise and vibration produced by the Thorens' drivetrain, which I believe seriously impairs the sound compared to the utterly silent drivetrains of my Technics and Basis.

I once heard the big Rockport table at the home of a well-known record producer at Sony / CBS. I will never forget that. Speed stability in the extreme and dynamics the likes of which I've never heard before nor since from a turntable. (Could the EMT do this, I wonder? Based on what I read, it could. Maybe.)

Funny story about my only encounter with an EMT. When I was a teen and audiophile, a friend who was an announcer at the local classical radio station, would let me into the control room. They used an EMT 950 (if memory serves correctly) that gave the radio station endless troubles with reliability.

I'm providing this background only to set the stage for my questions and not to provoke any debate about my own findings.

Thuchan, could you comment on the EMT's performance in the areas of noise and vibration from the drivetrain? About speed stability as measured with the Timeline? Do you think the excellence of the EMT is due in part to its wholistic design; that is table, arm, cartridge and phono preamp? I am very impressed with the "overkill" platter size and bearing size of the 927 and the huge motor which should laugh at stylus drag.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on these questions.