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What Does Holographic Sound Like?

And how do you get there? This is an interesting question. I have finally arrived at a very satisfying level of holography in my system. But it has taken a lot of time, effort and money to get there. I wish there had been a faster, easier and less expensive way to get there. But I never found one.

Can you get to a high level of holography in your system with one pair of interconnects and one pair of speaker wires? I don't believe so. I run cables in series. I never found one pair of interconnects and speaker wires that would achieve what has taken a heck of a lot of wires and "tweaks" to achieve. Let alone all the power cords that I run in series. Although I have found one special cable that has enabled the system to reach a very high level of holography -- HiDiamond -- I still need to run cables in series for the sound to be at its holographic best.

There are many levels of holography. Each level is built incrementally with the addition of one more wire and one more "tweak". I have a lot of wires and "tweaks" in my system. Each cable and each "tweak" has added another level to the holography. Just when I thought things could not get any better -- which has happened many times -- the addition of one more cable or "tweak" enabled the system to reach a higher level yet.

Will one "loom" do the job. I never found that special "loom". To achieve the best effects I have combined cables from Synergistic Research, Bybee, ASI Liveline, Cardas, Supra and HiDiamond -- with "tweaks" too numerous to mention but featuring Bybee products and a variety of other products, many of which have the word "quantum" in their description.

The effort to arrive at this point with my system has been two-fold. Firstly, finding the right cables and "tweaks" for the system. Secondly, finding where to place them in the system for the best effects -- a process of trial and error. A lot of cables and "tweaks" had to be sold off in the process. I put "tweaks" in quotation marks because the best "tweaks" in my system have had as profound effect as the components on the sound. The same for the best of the cables, as well. For me, cables and "tweaks" are components.

Have I finally "arrived"? I have just about arrived at the best level that I can expect within my budget -- there are a couple of items on the way. In any case, I assume there are many levels beyond what my system has arrived at. But since I'll never get there I am sitting back and enjoying the music in the blissful recognition that I don't know what I am missing.

I should mention that there are many elements that are as important as holography for the sound to be satisfying, IMO. They include detail, transparency, coherence, tonality, and dynamics, among others. My system has all of these elements in good measure.

Have you had success with holographic sound in your system? If so, how did you get there?
sabai
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mapman
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If it sounds good, it sounds good.

Record producers do whatever they want to do in the interest of what they consider to be a good product. Nothing wrong with the listener doing the same as needed to deliver the sound they seek. Lots of ways to do it. No right or wrong. Its all a reproduction. Some like clear photos and some like abstract art. Whatever floats ones boat. Phase angle adjustment are just another tool at ones disposal if needed. Some of the most reknowned record producers in the world, like ALan Parson's, have been known to play similar tricks I believe.
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mapman
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"When one asserts things that most will interpret as nonsense, that is bound to create a stir.

The solution is to explain the nonsense so as to address peoples concerns. Not change the subject, obfuscate, or go on the attack of the questioner."

One thing I find these days is that is is becoming increasingly common for people to create a stir as a simple means of garnering attention. I think it started to become a major phenomenon back in the late 80's with the ascent of shock jocks, Howard Stern being the most notorious. More and more people seem to leverage this approach these days as a means of garnering attention in an increasingly complex world where it might be harder to stand out for other more philanthropic reasons.
theaudiotweak
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I am off to buy some sand for my box so I can isolate my cello from its own self and any acoustic boundary. That will kill all those nasty vibrations. Tom
bryoncunningham
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10-01-12: Chadeffect
I have great respect for Mapman, Bryoncunningham and others here, but I do feel Geoff is getting some unfair treatment in this particular thread.

Did I miss something or is anger towards Geoff bleeding in from other discussions?
Yes. It is impossible for me to limit my perception of Geoff to his behavior in this thread, and I suspect the same is true for others. Geoff and I have had two sustained arguments this year. The first was on the Magic thread, and the second was on the Fuse thread. Those links take you to the approximate points in the threads where the disagreements began.

Both arguments went on for days, sprawled over a range of topics, and weren't pretty. I occasionally said things I regretted, and later apologized for it. But if you read those threads from the points I linked until their ends, you will see the principal source of my feelings about Geoff. Before those disagreements, I barely knew anything about him or Machina Dynamica. And I didn't really care whether Geoff was in the business of selling what many regard as nonsense.

IMO, those threads demonstrate that Geoff routinely inserts himself into conversations with cryptic, provocative, and occasionally bizarre statements. Whether he does this to make mischief, to promote Machina Dynamica, or for some other reason is anybody's guess. I for one do not believe that Geoff is particularly interested in making meaningful contributions to discussions. You can certainly find posts in which he appears to contribute, but they are few by comparison to posts in which he is provocative, evasive, or antagonistic.

This is my own view of Geoff. Others are of course free to form their own impression of who he is and why he participates in forums like these.

Bryon
sabai OP
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Geoffkait,
I have put you on the spot and you now choose to sidestep the issue of Bybee products by redirecting the discussion about this specific issue that I brought up in my post to a discussion of frustration and anger. How clever. If you were a "humble scribe" you would not be asking ANYONE to "bow out" of any discussion. You have declared that you have the right to say anything you want. But this apparently only applies to you because others who may be angry or frustrated do not have the right to express their anger and frustration. They must "bow out". In effect, you are now the self-declared moderator of this discussion and you are making the rules about who can stay and who cannot. OF course, you get to stay. Your declaration of humility is obviously a false declaration.

My frustration may have got the better of you but it has certainly not got the better of me. It is very direct and to the point. And who are you, in all your false humility, to ask anyone to bow out of this discussion, let alone the person whom initiated this thread? If anyone should bow out it is clearly you. And you can do so graciously or not for all I care.

May I reiterate something that Bryoncunningham has said very eloquently on more than one occasion. You refuse to answer my questions directly and interpose another topic to redirect the discussion. To wit, who is more qualified to comment on Bybee products? The guy who has 20 of them in his system or the vendor who refuses to divulge how many Bybee products he has in his own system while pontificating about them with authority? How many Bybee products do you have in your system? Will you answer the question directly or will you invite me to bow out of this discussion?
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