Is there a difference between AR Complete & YBA In


Are the YBA Integre and the Audio Refinement Complete the same amps in different clothing? I am thinking about getting the Integre (single transformer), but have heard that the Complete may have the same components.

Aside from cosmetics and country of assembly are there any major technical differences that warrant the jump in price?

Would I be better off getting the Complete in this price range as compared to the Creek 5350se, MF A3, Classe Cap 101, etc?

One final question, is paying the extra money for the YBA Integre worth it considering there is an upgrade path?

No more questions... thanks
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I purchased an AR Complete around 6 mo ago. I did this to downsize from separates which included a Classe Preamp and Quicksilver 90 watt monoblocks. I have only heard the YBA Integre at a hi fi show, but I do have a friend who owns the YBA 2 amp, which I have heard frequently. I think the YBA Integre will sound a little bit more transparent and a tiny bit more refined, but the difference, to me, is not worth the difference in price. Before getting the Complete, I did audition Classe separates at home and I think the Complete sounded a little smoother and more refined, while the Classe separates were more dynamic (more power, of course). I think the Complete is a good value, if it matches well with your other equipment. I do not find it to be underpowered, but my speakers are very efficient. I do have to say that the Quicksilvers had a much more natural and refined sound (better than the YBA, also) but they are tube amps and have other liabilities. If you're going to spend $1.5K or more on an amp and you don't want tubes, you may also want to check out Electrocompaniet and the Goldmund "budget" line called Job (jobsys.com).
Thanks for the info on "Job" Joe. I will check into that. As for the Complete vs the Integre, I have been told that you can still upgrade the original Integre. All they do is put in the second transformer from what I heard. The distributor for both Audio Refinement and YBA insists that the Integre is much different from the Complete. Although the only thing he could really find to justify the difference was the power supply, supposedly much better in the Integre. He basically told me to listen to both...I will do this of course.

As for the Job stuff I'll have to find a retailer somewhere around here...
The Integre uses Double C Transformers which cost 3 to 5 times what toroidal transformers cost.
I think that Job only has one or two dealers in the US and sells mostly by mail order.
I own a DT Integre and I have used the Complete. The build quality of the Complete is very good, but not up to the Integre. For example: the RCA input jacks on the back of the Integre are very high quality. On the Complete, they are just like what you find on a NAD or Rotel product. The control knobs on the Compete are kind of loose, and also feel like a NAD or Rotel product. The Integre controls are firm and solid like other high end products. I am sure the electronics are very good on the Complete, it sure sounds like it. They have to cut corners somewhere to sell it for so much less.