Is there a difference between AR Complete & YBA In


Are the YBA Integre and the Audio Refinement Complete the same amps in different clothing? I am thinking about getting the Integre (single transformer), but have heard that the Complete may have the same components.

Aside from cosmetics and country of assembly are there any major technical differences that warrant the jump in price?

Would I be better off getting the Complete in this price range as compared to the Creek 5350se, MF A3, Classe Cap 101, etc?

One final question, is paying the extra money for the YBA Integre worth it considering there is an upgrade path?

No more questions... thanks
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Thanks for the info on "Job" Joe. I will check into that. As for the Complete vs the Integre, I have been told that you can still upgrade the original Integre. All they do is put in the second transformer from what I heard. The distributor for both Audio Refinement and YBA insists that the Integre is much different from the Complete. Although the only thing he could really find to justify the difference was the power supply, supposedly much better in the Integre. He basically told me to listen to both...I will do this of course.

As for the Job stuff I'll have to find a retailer somewhere around here...
The Integre uses Double C Transformers which cost 3 to 5 times what toroidal transformers cost.
I think that Job only has one or two dealers in the US and sells mostly by mail order.
I own a DT Integre and I have used the Complete. The build quality of the Complete is very good, but not up to the Integre. For example: the RCA input jacks on the back of the Integre are very high quality. On the Complete, they are just like what you find on a NAD or Rotel product. The control knobs on the Compete are kind of loose, and also feel like a NAD or Rotel product. The Integre controls are firm and solid like other high end products. I am sure the electronics are very good on the Complete, it sure sounds like it. They have to cut corners somewhere to sell it for so much less.
Thanks Sugarbie,

Just curious, is the build quality of the YBA Integre the only thing that swayed you to get it over the Complete? Does the Integre have better sonics ie, soundstaging, bass extension, precision and tone?

The dealer also tells me that the Integre is MUCH better than the Complete.

Speaking of build quality how is the reliability of the YBA products in general?