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Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil

I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

volleyguy
k2_nl
13 posts
 
Frederik,

Can you please have a look at my question described a few posts earlier regarding my slightly disappointing experiences a few years ago with the 630 V Cast Cu foil caps (coupling caps in a preamp). The Cast caps had been playing for a couple of hundred hours and in the end only slightly outperformed the standard Jensen Cu foil (alu tube).

While this is quite in contrast to for instance Volleyguys experiences I wondered if this could have been the result of the fact that these Cast caps were actually the first produced by Duelund. I remember this fact very well from our emailconversations in the past. Maybe later generations of the Cast caps used different design/materials??? Very curious if this is really the case.

BTW: the tests were performed by a Dutch top designer. He got the caps on loan from the Dutch company De Audiofabriek while the guys of this company were very curious to hear from that specific designer how the performance of these caps was.

The system of the designer is of a quite high standard (see description above), the parameter the designer puts most interest in is "tonality".

The "weakest link" of the caps used in his system is Jensen and AudioNote PIO copperfoil caps. There's not any poly there.

Where the system revealed subtle differences after a long time between the alu tube Jensen PIO copperfoil and the Cast Duelund with the Cast Duelund being slightly better than the Jensen, the difference between the alu tube Jensen and the paper tube Jensen was more significant and immediate with the paper tube being clearly better than the alu tube.

Cheers,

Kees
face
516 posts
 
How about some more details on this test...the associated gear, speakers, room treatments, etc...
michaelvv
52 posts
 
Hi Face , is it still posible that you want to send me the diagram over your HPD-385A crossover. http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65991&page=2
Can not find anything serious on the internet to bypass the switches.
Thanks Michael
k2_nl
13 posts
 
Hi Face,

A few posts earlier I wrote:

"The system in which the Cast Duelunds, tinfoil V-caps, Jensen Alu tube and Jensen paper tube were tested consists of a heavy modified CEC transport coupled to the Audiomagic DAC (same league as the AN 5.1 Signature) and a very fine all tubed preamp and all tubed poweramps, both created by Peter, driving AN speakers (not sure about the model). Though it can't produce very high SPL's, is limitated in the low domain and is way less revealing than my modified Apogee Scintilla's, it is quite a good system (without any plastic cap in the signal path). More important for me was to have the caps tested by a guy I know that is very experienced, has very good ears and puts most interest in tonality (!) in his designs and modifications."

The "tubed" preamp and mono poweramps are designed by Peter van Willenswaard himself. He also designed the Audiomagic DAC. The preamp can't held up with my modified Silvaweld SWC1000 but it is still a very good preamp. The poweramps I find harder to rate. Further the system was connected to a Pure Power powerregenerator. btw: this powerregenerator I can recommend very well, it is much, much better than the PS Audio Premier Plant.

However.... more important IMO than the system and the room in which the test was done, is the fact that this system was able to reveal differences between alu tube and paper tube PIO copperfoil Jensens and the tinfoil VCap very well. And the difference in this system between the Cast Duelund and the alu tube Jensen was relatively small... And with this in mind that tonality is the most important parameter to Peter.

So therefore my question to Frederik: is it possible that the fact that the cast caps that we had on loan, were the first produced, is reponsible for our results or is this not a likely explanation? If not, I still would like to try out the Duelunds in my passive speaker xover one day (that is in front of the tweeter as the cap in front of the mids is 240 uF), but the coupling caps in my poweramp and the DAC will stay Jensen paper tube.

Cheers,

Kees
duelund_coherent_audio
110 posts
 
Hi Kees,

I would need to have the caps here, to answer that question.
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