What kind of power wakes up electrostatic speakers


Is it wpc, high current, both or what? I've been aud-itioning amps with the Final Electrostatic 0.3's (86 db sensitivity). The manufacturer suggests a minimum of 50 wpc to get them going. So far, I've tried a Nakamichi Stasis (150wpc) and an Electrocompaniet AW250DMB(250 wpc).With both,the speakers sounded dull, yet the Parasound HCA 3500 (250wpc & high current)made them sing sweet as can be.
Could somebody be kind enought to explain to me how this stuff works. I need to purchase an amp to drive the Final 0.4's (the big brother to the 0.3's). I'd love to know what
to look for.
I appreciate in advance your help. The source for this
was a Pioneer PD S95.
steakster
Travis, they were sent in for review at the time; they were properly burned in. Coda, Innersound, Boulder are all detailed oriented, energy loaded at the transient-type SS amps - quite similar. Not sure that's a great comparison...

Paul, 7W!!? You've got more courage than me! :0)

Seriously though, Paul, you might find a nice balance with the Berning - and maybe a bit of tube rolling the inputs yo siut.
A friend of mine recently was trying to upgrade the amplifier to drive his Martin Logan CLS speakers, he was driving them with a Quad 606 (original version) and it was sort of managing OK. He was really looking for a substantial upgrade and he tried a Krell 300i which was onsale.

The Krell was not in a position to drive them at realistic levels even at full volume. The Quad somehow was playing much louder and still had room to spare. We were really surprised. Switched his two CD players, three speakers, and the two amps. None of the equipment had any problem including the Krell which was driving the Maggies as well as large dual concentric Tannoy speaker. We were unable to figure out why Krell on Martin Logan CLS sounded like a 25 watter. Nothing made sense to us.

What could be the reason for such low volumes on the CLS? Is Krell 300i a bad match for CLS? Is the power supply of just 400v in Krell not able to cope with the load? Is it the matter of voltage versus current?

Can anyone shed some light on this issue for our better understanding?
Hey, Asa, you heard what you heard. I've never heard the new QUADs so no comment. I'm still glad I found the InnerSound for my 3.6s, though.
Scotty: I think Bear meant that one might want to do some research and find out who actually builds the amp for them i.e. Innersound does not build their own amp or preamp. As far as i know, it is built by Coda for them. On the same hand, Coda also builds the amps / preamps for Legacy too. Something about Coda and speaker manufacturers i guess....

Quadophile: While i don't know if the 606 is similar in design to some of the older Quad amps, the use of "current dumpers" helps the amp load in a more linear fashion to speakers with wild impedance curves. As such, the power transfer ( or "apparent volume" ) seems to be more consistent regardless of impedance or frequency. From what i've read about the 606, it appeared to be of similar design to what i'm talking about but with a "beefier" power supply.

Krell and other "brute" SS amps simply respond to the varying impedances at different frequencies in a more mechanized manner. It is possible for such an amp to be delivering BIG wattage at X frequency while only being able to muster a few watts at another frequency at any given time due to the impedance. As such, the output levels won't be as consistent due to the loading characteristics that the amp sees varying so much.

With an E-stat, it is not so much high current as it is high voltage over most of the range. Since tubes are more of a voltage amp, they tend to work pretty well. Only problem is, some E-stats drop in impedance, so they need a lot of current. Finding an amp that can deliver both high voltages AND high currents and do so at any given time and frequency with any level of reactance / impedance thrown at it would put you in "E-stat heaven" : ) In effect, you would have the effects of a tube amp that sees the constant impedance of an output transformer and the current of a BIG solid state amp as it needs it on demand. No simple trick and that is why some of these speakers are hard to find suitable amps for. Sean
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