Class A and B differences?


I have been auditioning the Pass Labs X-250 amp along with the Spectron Digital amp versus my Kinergetics KBA-75 power amp. My system consists of a Sony SCD-777ES, BAT VK-30SE preamp, B&W 803 matrix series II speakers, Acoustic Zen silver ref. ICs, Hologram speaker cables, JPS digital AC and power AC cords along with an Audience power AC cord. I hear the differences between the amps but I was expecting to hear larger differences, like a WOW what have I been missing. The Pass has more detail and seperation but maybe 10% max 15%. Is that the difference between a class A rated amp and a class B rated amp? Or is my Sony CD player or B&W speakers not up to the Pass amp capabilities?

Your comments are appreciated.
bigkidz
I retract partially--you may be right on the Class AB. But they both seem to be of the impression that to quote "Class AB is less linear than either A or B" and "is not really a seperate class of its own..." Or "Class B is by far the most popular mode of operation...." and many of there designs are just Class B. Parasound, Adcom, and Magnum Dynalab all claim Class a/b in many models. And Perraeux has that weird Class a/ab, which got me thinking more about what you said cause that would make sense for ab to be real, just a little weird.
The differences between various classes of amps can be very confusing, to say the least.

My take is this: For an amp to be rated class A, it's output devices (tube or transister) must be turned on all the time. Class B output devices are on 1/2 the time. Fact is, most amps are class A/B which is not, I supose, a separate class, but rather a combination, and their output devices are on more than 1/2 but less than always on.

Then to cloud the issue even more is the class G and H amps. Of course these are not really classes by themselves. Instaead, they use some sort of sliding bias or other means to make their power ratings appear higher than they really are. This is not necessarily a bad thing, I've owned such amps. Soundcraftsmen and Parasound are two such amps and I am sure there are many others. What about amps with switching power supplies? I think these are called class D and I am sure these are not normaly used in audio.

Jim
Thanks for the responses but in general I was referring to amp ratings by reviewer ratings and not the class A or A/B. My question still remians, if my Kinergetics amp was rated by Stereophile 10 years ago as a B rated component and the Pass X-250 probably an A rated amp, why is the Pass only providing a 10-15% improvement, I was hoping for more since the Kinergetics amp is a 12 year old design. Or is this what I should be happy with. I did not get goose bumps with the Pass like I thought I would.

Any help is appreciated.
Ooops! Big, if you ain't getting the bumps with the Pass, look elsewhere for now. UNLESS it's a matter of electrically matching yr pre to the Pass. OR we have to reconsider the set-up, as you imply in yr last sentence.

In this last instance, & if we leave the speakers out of the discussion for now & look at the chain upward, the ONLY excuse for the Pass is that it's amplifying ALL that it's getting from the preceding Sony & BAT combo (do follow Sean's advice & leave the Pass on for 72 hrs, however).

In which case, you may want to test the Sony direct into the Pass (using volume attenuation, of course). There are numerous mods for the Sony that, reportedly, help a lot & don't break the bank account.

As Twl implies, however, you may wish to reconsider the component to upgrade... perhaps a newer B&W? I think the "Wow" factor is hidden s/where between speaker & pre -- THEN power amp. But that's just me.
When I read your thread I was almost sure that you were refering to "Stereophile rating". This is always confusing, although the previous comments were still very interesting.

From my experience having a Pass X-350 and since I experimented with few other speakers and many other amplifiers, in my opinion I think the following:

1- Sean is right. Pass amplifiers need a very good break in period. After a week of using it you should notice another 5-10 % improvement.

2- I would not blame the Sony SCD-777, but the B&W 803. Your speakers are limiting the overall system performance.