Anybody using Wilsons or Soundlabs with Pass Labs?


Hi ye all. I'm curious whether anyone has tried Pass Labs amps on formidable speakers like Soundlabs or Wilson Watt Puppies.
muralman1
In my primary system, I am driving a pair of WATT/Puppy 6.0s with a pair of Pass X600 monoblocks. The sound is smooth and seamless.

All frequency ranges are well presented, with extended highs, even midrange, and OK bass. The best is the midrange. The Pass' liquid control of the midrange plus my particular room acoustics work to tame the slightly hot upper midrange character of the WATT/Puppy 6.0s. The bass is fine, in good proportion if not really socko. The speakers tend to roll off in the bottom octave, so I have two Sunfire True Sub Signatures filling out the foundation. (Reputedly, the WATT/Puppy 7s go the distance in the bass.) With the right subwoofer blending, I feel no lack in the low bass.

The relative efficiency of the speakers combined with the high power of the amps provides for plenty of headroom and a very dynamic sound, which is an aspect I personally find especially appealing. I don't sense anything is lost in terms of detail and delicacy at low and mid volumes either. Soundstaging and imaging are solid and stable, leaving me nothing to be desired.

A Pass Aleph P preamp has been a good fit with the X600s. Notably, this one has left gain, right gain, as well as an overall volume control. The sound is noticeably more dynamic with the gain controls set past 11 o'clock, independent of the volume control setting. To improve the dynamics, I have set some of my source components to lower output levels in order to turn up the gain controls to 12 o'clock or higher without losing my control range with the volume control. I don't understand why -- theoretically, there shouldn't be any difference between high gain control settings with a low volume control setting versus low gain controls with a high volume control, should there? Is this what they're saying about loss of dynamics with passive preamps? Does the patented volume control that is used on newer Pass preamps address this? Dunno.

The Pass X600s replaced a pair of Bryston 7B ST monoblocks, which in comparison sounded punchier in the bass, a little warmer/brassier in the midrange, and very slightly harsh in the treble (through the same speakers). Perhaps my Audioquest Dragon silver conductor speaker cable exacerbated this last. (Also using Audioquest Amazon silver interconnects.) Best Regards.
I tried the Aleph series on sound lab A3s and they were excellent within their power rating. Very natural, detailed, with good imaging. If one could find a pair of 1.2s one would be happy indeed.
jameswei, my understanding of the P is that your left and right gain should be set to as far left or 0 as possible while the volume should be as far right or 9.9 as possible making certain that the amp is not being overdriven.

The purpose of these settings is to minimize distortion while receiving maximum volume through the volume control with the shortest signal path possible. The volume control can then likely be wound right out to 9.9 without ever using up the amp.

The gain settings you describe are adding distortion to the listening material and the sound levels I suspect are on the order of minimum 107db @ 16watts continous and a mind numbing/ear killing 119db @ 256watts. So I suggest that you back the gains to 0 or left and the volume further right or 9.9 for improved clarity. I would not be concerned about getting to 9.9 and system integrity, I might be concerned about my ear components.

My P settings are .5mv Helikon, 64db Krell phono stage, 0 gains and full on P volume providing 88-95db intermittent @ 1 metre via 87db efficiency speakers in a 8x16x26' half live/half dead room driven by 10% of the power of your mammoth amp with an Aleph 5. Room RT60 is approximately calculated @ 125hz/.44... 250hz/.68... 500hz/.69... 1Khz/.68... 2Khz/.55... and 4Khz/43

My sound levels are high enough the only thing my system is missing that yours has is the incredible dynamics the Wilson's deliver and almost a full octave of depth.

Way off topic here but the gains should be addressed... otherwise I love the combo!
I use a Pass Labs X-1 preamplifier and a pair of Aleph 2 with Wilson Watt/Puppy 5.1. If you're no bass fetishist this is an excellent combination.
I'm using Aleph 1.2's with a pair of Apogee Duetta Signatures. These replaced a pair of Krell KMA100 Mk 2's.

They are a very synergistic match. Bass is slightly less in quantity but much better in definition. The mids and highs are far superior and sweet.