Help picking first amp....


Hey everyone I'm new to the world of home audio and would like to put a system together. So far I've assebled a few parts (CAL CL15 cd player, Tyler Acoustic Ref Monitors, Acme Cryo socket, SignalCable shotguns) and am now looking at an amp to run directly from the cd player.

I've made a short list here goes:
Rogue 88 Magnum (1250$)
BAT VK200 (1300$)
Audio Research VT100 mk1(1500$)
CJ 11A (1750$) (a stretch in the $$ area!)

For a variety of reasons I don't think I'll be able to demo all of these units, and probably none in my home environment...so I'm asking for some advice from the good people of audiogon.

Quick questions
1) what are the costs associated with retubing each of these different amps? since I'm buying used this will factor in, I'm assuming some of them will cost much more than others?!
2) have you a/b'ed any in the list against better?
3) would I be better of dividing my alloted money and getting a amp/pre? or just an integrated?
4) any suggestions on my hunt?

Finally, this will be going into a smaller room, probably around 12x14ish with regular ceilings. I listen to a large variety of music jazz, classical, r&b and a good amount of guitar and piano.

I'm looking to get as palpable a sound as possible, I'm not sure if this is called "air?" where you can just about see the musicians...(perhaps this is all to much to ask at this price range and with my associated gear!)
geoffgarcia
I'd consider staying w/ss, esp. if you are concerned about costs of re-tubing. Power tubes are much shorter lived than pre-amp tubes. You could try a Unico Unison integrated that has a tube pre side and an ss power side. New it would be well within your budget. Also might want to consider an SMcAudio modified DNA 0.5 (100 wpc) or 1.0 (185 wpc). The 0.5 is better sounding if its got enough muscle for you. You can probably pick up a Rev B for $1000 or a Rev A. for $1300. Very nice and great people to deal with if you need service or want to go further up the upgrade path. There are varying opinions about going direct to amp; I've never heard the CL-15, but I know that the sound of my CL-10 was quite good (best changer out there, IMO).
Unless you have a very, very good CD player with an analog volume pot you're likely going to be buying a preamp very shortly as well. Might want to take that into account and save up for a good preamp as well, especially if your CDP volume is digital in nature (which will sound awful)....
I heard the Unison Research Unico at this past CES an was very impressed. Beaufitful looking and sounding it mated well with the efficient Triangle Zays[if I remember correctly].
Heres a different tact: If your budget goes up to $1500, snatch up the Forte 5 that just got listed and use the $1100 you saved towards a nice preamp. I would look at the used market for the pre also. The 5 might not be the ultimate amp but its a pretty nice amp to start from. Might not find a better int amp for the money, and a better place to upgrade from.
I would highly recommend considering a GamuT D-100 solid state amp.

If you do not need a lot of power it is hard to beat the D-100.

Also, you might want to not run a CDP directly into an amp. I would wager you would get BETTER sound if you bought an ARC CA50 integrated amp (one of my favorite integrateds that I have ever heard, PERIOD), then if you ran the CDP directly into any of the above amps... Even the GamuT D-100.

The ARC CA-50 is a classic integrated amp that has very nice premplification as well as great tube amplification if you stay within it's 40wpc power.

KF