Digital Amps - Your opinions and why so few?


Hi, I'm in the market for new amps for Maggie 3.6r's and just wondered what your experiences/opinions are on digital amps.
The technology seems well developed, and the advantages seem very tangible 'on paper'. I spoke with a tech guy at Tact Audio concerning their S2150 amp, and the 'specs' are very impressive. They amps also provide the facility to replace the speaker x-over. In a 2-way speaker, you can use two digital amps and program each amp with the associated crossover parameters.
I also spoke yesterday with a real gentleman, Henry, the designer/founder of H2O digital amps. I found him by following a buzz on the apogee audio website, where people using the difficult to drive apogees are dumping off their big Krells and Pass amps, and getting in the queue for the H2O. The few people already using the H20's are raving about them.
Then of course there are the Spectron amps, though I read somewhere recently that they may be going out of business?

The point is, if this technology has matured, and these amps can compete with convential amps, and they are cheaper, lighter, give off less heat, generate higher watts from a smaller/lighter chasis, and.....wait for it....may actually sound better dollar for dollar, why don't we see more of them around?

Rooze
PS - I'm considering dropping big $$$$$ on a pair of new S2150 Tact digitals, please, please talk me out of it, and tell me these amps are crap....
128x128rooze
Rooze,

Perhaps I can expand a bit. A bit over a month ago I drove up to visit Henry and listen to his H20 monoblocks on his Apogee Scintilla's after hearing much of the buzz on the Apogee user forum.

You mentioned the fit and finish to look a bit unprofessional. I would respectfully disagree. Seeing them in person they are superb in fit and finish. They are not "exotic or industrial engineering state of the art" in form. Form follows function. With that being said, I can't recall off the top of my head ANY manufacturer out there that uses 3/8" thick aluminum plates on ALL sides of the unit, top, and bottom. It is a very refined and subtle look.

I was also aware of the price increase being imminent. As I understood from reading the Apogee forums, these amps were being produced for forum members at near cost as a "gift" to forum members that had interest and wanted to try them before the retail pricing was set forth. I can honestly say these monoblocks at a retail of $4K are still quite the deal. I don't say that lightly. However, I did hear the amps driving a 1 ohm load Apogee Scintilla. There is something to be said about system/speaker matching. If these monoblocks perform with other speakers equally as well as they did on the Scintilla's then it will not be long before the H20 name is common in audiophile circles. I would also go so far as to predict when a review site such as 6moons.com or stereotimes.com get a listen with these monoblocks there will be much more than a 6 week wait time. Again, IF - they perform sonically with other speakers as I have heard them on the Scintillas - they will be nothing short of an amplification leader at their price point, not to mention their stout fit and finish.

As for the wait time... you may have seen the "Preamp deal of the century" thread about Supratek preamps. There is a reason there is a 6 month plus wait. Both of these designers want to manufacture a product to their exacting specifications, by hand, with their own eye. Then they test them for some hours before shipping to ensure they are as they should be. I personally wish more audio companies took this stance.
No matter how many reviews you read you will not really know how an amp would sound with your speakers, room, and source. The real virtue of the CarverPro ZR1600 (which by the way has no connection to Bob Carver) is that the cost is so low that most anyone can afford to buy one and give it a real try. Few can afford to take a flyer on a 6-grand item.
I agree with Eldartford and the AudioEngr...the Carver ZR series amplifiers are the ShizNit! LOL
Eldartford & Gmood1,

How well would the Carver match up with the Hyperion
HPS 938's (If you have ever heard them). And also, what
would you recommend for a pre amp? Do you need the use
balanced ic''s or does it need special adaptors??
Telescope_trade I haven't heard the Hyperions. I need to go up to PeteWhitleys and listen to them. I believe he bought a pair not long ago.You can use adapters. I picked up some from Radioshack for 8 bucks to use between the Carver and MiniMax tube preamp. This amplifier is just so easy to listen too. It seems to bring out the virtues of the MiniMax. I imagine it would work well with just about any decent preamp though. The amplifier doesn't suppress the music at all. If the preamp and source can keep up with the dynamic swings in the recordings. The Carver will let you hear it! The bite of the horns and the strums of string instruments are vivid and full of colour.It doesn't add artificiality. It just puts out front whatever the recording engineer wanted you to hear at that moment.Whether the singers voice or separate instruments jumping out when they are suppose to.

It is such a surprise and delite to hear something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg that performs this well.

ATB