How could surround sound be used in an audiophile system?


I am an audiophile with a dilemma. I do not like two channel stereo, because the speakers are only 45 degrees apart. This gives me a bad case of tunnel sound. I realize that high end systems have excellent sound dispersal, but only within 45 degrees. That is not enough spread if one is listening to orchestral music. Separation of the speakers gives better sound dispersal, but it leaves a hole in the center. I could place an equally sized speaker in the center powered by an amplifier of equal quality. The problem is that there is no such animal as a three channel preamp with a mono center channel. Next, I would like to use back speakers to smooth out the sound of the front outside speakers. While the three channel stereo has better dispersal, the sound ends too abruptly at the corners of the room. This now would require a five channel preamp (two left signals, two right signals, and mono center).

I know, I know, this sounds like home theater. However, home theater processors are notorious for distorting sound as they "interpret" where different parts of the two channel signals are positioned. Even more distortion is added as the processor adds reverberation.

My goal is to have a pure sounding system that fills the whole room with the undistorted sound of an orchestra. I would like to be able to pin point every instrument in the orchestra from one side of the room to the other. What I need is a five channel preamp with a mono center channel. The problem is that this preamp does not exist, and never will. The artificial sound of five channel home theater is here to stay. This is really depressing. This is a real dilemma. Does anyone have any ideas how to solve this problem?
redwoodgarden
To redwoodgarden, here's what I do. get a cheap DD surround processor (Onkyo, Sony or other Japanese). run your 5 channels from the processor to your amps. Now if you have a passive box, run your front speakers into the amp and connect with monster cable dual female connectors. Voila, turn on the processor for movie sound and shut off processor and use passive box or other output switcher for two channel.
Subaruguru, great post. I have achieved similar results with a pair of tweaked out MGIIIA's in a large room. Incredible soundstaging and much more natural to my ears than the "forced" soundstaging of most of the multichannel systems I have heard. Regards.
subaruguru gave the essence of what I was going to say

A well setup two channel setup is much superior to the compromises of HT. I have a pair of Von Schweikert Vortex Screens that just disappear in my room with soundstage well behind and outside their setup.

I sold hifi in the early 80's and recall the ADS time delay system, quite nice for it's time for a deep room.

Redwoodgarden - you owe it to yourself to audition some excellent speakers that truly image.

tom
hi redwood,

here's what i'd do - lose all but the two front corner horns 1st. then get a *good* tubed preamp. then, lose the levinson amps - overkill for klipschorns, imo. i'd bet a $238 pair of 8wpc asl wave amps wood sound better w/the klipschorns. get a decent vinyl rig, also, if ya *really* want a good soundstage. ;~)

the jvc xpa-1010, as mentioned above, really *is* a cool piece of equipment - i have one set-up in my system (out of the signal path, when not in use). considered the absolute best of its kind, when in production - better than the lexicons, yamahas, etc. it really *does* have some amazing processing built-in, to give *only* the acoustic cues from 20 different pre-programmed venues. that said, since i've gone to a tubed preamp, it hardly ever gets used, cuz the soundstage w/simple two-channel is now so awesome, the jvc is redundant most of the time.

doug s.