Shelf Material - Neuance


I started a thread a month or so ago trying to find opinions on the best shelf material. I got some good new ideas, and tried them all out - except one, Maple Butchers Block. McMaster did not reply to my emails concerning Maple Butchers Block - not unusual, I have found many US companies turn a deaf ear to anyone from another country. I did try some local butchers block - stips of heart timber glued together, and the spectral balance was very good, but pace was poor. If Maple is better then it must be much lighter than what I was using (Weight = energy storage = poor pace). The best I tried was a very classy looking Neuance shelf, which you can find out about at www.neuanceaudio.com. I think subaruguru was also trying one and so it will be interesting to see what he thinks. It has a sound, but one that is difficult to pin down. It did not work well on my transport, flattening mid-range images for some reason, but worked well on everything else. I will order some more and therefore be able to get a better measure of its performance, and will try again with the transport (I have since learnt that I should not have used up-turned spikes). The Neuance is fast, it almost spotlights mid-range detail (you hear everything a vocalist is doing), it is very extended top and bottom. It might have a tad too much warmth in the lower mids and upper bass, but I am not sure yet. I love the way pianos sound with it - very much like the real thing (my daughter plays piano and so I hear it every day) - no exagerated presence, but all the natural harmonics of a real piano. I find it works best resting on small 1mm thick hard rubber pads, on a sand filled steel rack, with Vibrapods between shelf and component. I did not particularly like up-pointed spikes underneath it when I tried it but will experiment some more when I have some more Neuance shelves - it is hard to get the full measure of this shelf when I have only one. But I suspect this really is very close to an ideal shelf - very light, very rigid, no noticeable resonances - as I am using it at present. If, like me, you have been looking for a top quality shelf, then the Neuance is well worth a try. My only relationship to Neuance is that the man behind it offered me this ex-demo one for the cost of freight in response to my original post. When I order the next three shelves from him I will be offering to pay more generously for the first one.
redkiwi
Ernie it sounds to me like you are using cones between the Neuance and a wooden rack. If so then you will not be getting the best out of the Neuance. If you can get a hold of a welded steel rack with spikes to support the Neuance you will get a much better result. For what it is worth (which may not be much), I tried the Neuance sitting on metal cones on a wooden shelf at one point and concluded that the cones sounded best if pointed down, not up. But the sound got better if a small sub-table (spiked of course) was used between the wood and the Neuance. The other issue I hesitate to raise is the Red Dawn - I reckon you should at least try something in its place as I have always found it to be too lean through the mids and a little gritty on top. As to mass-loading - what you are doing is adding energy storage (and therefore smear) to lower the resonant frequency of the transport's box. First just throw all the mass-loading away and try the Neuance as I have described - including just letting it settle for a week. If you must, you could then add a small amount of damping sheet to the top-plate.
Ken...thanks for the confirmation.
Mark...given space restrictions, would you recommend going to the trouble of fashioning a metal shelf to sit between my wooden shelf and Neuance? Phew! Think I'll first try Mark's hardened spikes screwed into my wooden shelf; this logically follows my temporary solution using upturned cones. Re a separate "sub" shelf: My mind's eye sees the Neuance as the predominant "sink" here; my wooden rack is VERY heavy, with divided-light leaded glass doors; its heavy 44" wide wooden shelf is of concern, but if anything, I would imagine REPLACING it with something rigid and light
(aluminum honeycomb?... dampened somehow...or a GIANT Neuance?!), rather than affixing MORE mass, however stiff, to it could be a way to go............I'll leave the minimal
CDP lid-damping in place, and let its stock feet dance for now. My take on your other comments is that I could then finalize the tuning by introducing these "EAR" footers and/or swapping out the Red Dawn IC as appropriate to give the lower mids more body, right? A local dealer wants me to try a Siltech IC for a fatter yet resolved signature.
If I recall correctly you like Coincident and Wireworld ICs, no? As much as I struggle with this I'm always wondering if I'm simply hearing the limits of my CDP or Redbook...
Thanks again...and you, too, Dekay. Ernie
PS You guys heard Didier Lockwood's Tribute to Stephane Grappeli (with Orsted-Pederson et al) yet? (SONY/FRANCE)
It's those violin's upper partials I'm trying to get right, for example....Cheers.
Re Subaru's earlier question about loading the top of the CDP, I had an experience somewhat like Dekay's. I've tried Webster's III Collegiate and other serious volumes on top of my CDP (Linn Karik III), but put them back to where they were more convenient for my kid's homework. I don't recall if they did any harm, but I didn't hear any benefit. Recently, I used one of Mapleshade's heavy brass triplefeet cones as a top weight and found a pleasant change. It is now doing its intended job under my turntable, so I didn't play with it long. A visual analogy: If you could draw the shapes of sounds as thought balloons, like in the comics, and you took a pen and inked in a shadow line along the bottom of each balloon -- that's sort of what it sounded like in my system. Subjectively more bottom weight and depth; more distinction among sounds; better attack. Not a big change, but a pleasant one to my ears. I will add some irresponsible theorizing if time permits.
Like Jaybird I have been using Mapleshades triplepoint heavy hats on top of my EC EMC-1 with very good results. I use two 2lb and 4 1lb weights. The sound became as described by Jaybird. I also noticed less grundge around voices with better liquidity. Put too many of these brass weights on top and the sound will be too dead. It may seem that it is not a big change but after you live with them for a time, try removing them and see how fast you put them back on.
Redkiwi... for the light/rigid approach seek out some of the older Target racks -- small, rectangular designs. Most of these also had spiked top shelfs for tunrtables and spiked legs. It occurs to me that if one simply replaced the old wooden shelves with something else (best material???) this might do the trick.