The vitriol heaped upon stevemj tells me, more than anything else,that,far from having the open minds they proclaim to have, some audiophiles around here are quite closed minded. If your minds are open to hearing musically important differences when "science" and "reason" say they should not exist (and I'm fully in that camp with you), then you must also keep an open mind to the possibility that other factors and influences may sometimes contribute to your conclusions. As I read what stevemj has written, that's all he is saying. That you be critical thinkers. Don't we all aspire to that? Why is it so threatening? -Dan