Fuses that matter.


I have tried six different fuses, including some that were claimed to not be directional. I have long used the IsoClean fuses as the best I have heard. No longer! I just got two 10 amp slow-blows WiFi Tuning Supreme fuses that really cost too much but do make a major difference in my sound. I still don't understand how a fuse or its direction can alter sound reproduction for the better, but they do and the Supreme is indeed! I hear more detail in the recordings giving me a more holographic image. I also hear more of the top and bottom ends. If only you could buy them for a couple of bucks each.
tbg
No way! I couldn't do without it. I place one pill at the top corners of each speaker cabinet...it improves the cabinet rigidity. I'm surprised that a genius such as yourself didn't "discover" it first.
06-06-12: Tbg
Bryoncunningham, I admire your eagerness but think this is largely fruitless as there are too many fuses and too many components.

06-06-12: Geoffkait
Let's say an average system contains 7 fuses. Now, I suspect there are some statisticians here who can do the calculation for how many tests would be required for 7 types of fuses and 7 fuse installations. And how long it would take. A hundred years?
I see. So I'm wasting my time experimenting with fuses. I wish I had thought of that. Wait a second. Aren't you the same guys who said...
05-12-12: Tbg
These pseudo-scientists fail to disprove what observations tell them-there is a difference in fuses. Rather than a priori refusals they should GET TO WORK finding what accounts for the differences.

05-16-12: Tbg
Hopefully, there are some who will dismiss the rhetoric and TRY DIFFERENT FUSES and fuse direction.

05-20-12: Tbg
To not offend doubters' sensibilities, I will just say that such an A/B TESTING TO GET IT RIGHT is absolutely necessary.

04-28-12: Geoffkait
Don't you often find a Skeptic to be someone who pontificates from the comfort of an easy chair but who rarely, if ever, GETS DOWN TO BUSINESS AND ACTUALLY INVESTIGATES the object of his pontification?

05-12-12: Geoffkait
Isn't the scientific method, ESPECIALLY INVESTIGATION, the underlying requirement for arriving at the truth?

05-12-12: Geoffkait
As a skeptic, don't you think truth would be better served by ACTUAL INVESTIGATION rather that idle speculation from the comfort of your Barko Lounger?
So let me get this straight...

1. You guys say that people's opinions matter only if they experiment with fuses.

2. I experiment with fuses.

3. You guys say that it is a waste of time to experiment with fuses.

Did I miss something? Let me check... No, I didn't. Can we just start referring to your position as The Double Bind?

Gotta go. My Viagra is kicking in.

Bryon
Bryon wrote,

"So let me get this straight...

1. You guys say that people's opinions matter only if they experiment with fuses."

- Yes, otherwise it's just idle speculation.

"2. I experiment with fuses."

- Your opinion matters more than someone who hasn't experimented, but it is still an opinion. No one person's experiment is definitive, it's only a data point. We should consider your opinion along with all of the many other published experiments - and our own experiments. Simply because you are still sitting on the fence regarding fuses should not mean that anyone else should also be sitting on the fence.

"3. You guys say it is a waste of time to experiment with fuses."

- Strawman argument alert. I don't think anyone is saying that at all, at least not me. My "hundred years" comment was responding to another poster's inquiry regarding professional comparison tests of aftermarket fuses. I was pointing out the heroic effort that would be involved in such a comparison test, not that it would be a waste of time.
Twilight Zone!

Nothing more is likely to get resolved anytime soon regarding fuses and sound quality.

So the scientific bottom line as I see it: try it if you like it! Tweak vendors will rejoice for sure!

Nothing new there.
06-08-12: Geoffkait
Strawman argument alert.
You want to go down this road again? How many times are you going to suggest that I’m strawmanning you? You have a bit of a fixation, don't you think?

So far you’ve failed to substantiate ANY of your strawmanning accusations. And in an inspired but inadvertent act of irony, the posts in which you accuse me of strawmanning invariably contain a straw man OF ME. I've demonstrated that several times already. You really want to go through it again? I suppose you like the ride. Ok, here we go…

When you suggested that I was strawmanning you, it was in reference to my comment that…
You guys say it is a waste of time to experiment with fuses.
I wrote that in direct response Tbg's comment that...
06-06-12: Tbg
Bryoncunningham, I admire your eagerness but think this is LARGELY FRUITLESS as there are too many fuses and too many components.
The phrase "largely fruitless" is of course a metaphor. It’s synonymous with another metaphor… “a waste of time.” So when I said that Tbg’s comment amounted to saying that it's a waste of time to experiment with fuses, I was not strawmanning him. I was summarizing him. Q.E.D.

That leaves me to address whether I was strawmanning you. Let’s retrace our steps again. Tbg said that the reason I was wasting my time was that...
...there are TOO MANY fuses and too many components.
In the very next post on the thread, you said...
06-06-12: Geoffkait
Let's see, HOW MANY aftermarket fuses are there...?
Tbg says "too many fuses" and you say "how many fuses?" Anyone with a passing familiarity with conversational English would think that you were picking up where Tbg left off. With that in mind, you go on to say...
Let's say an average system contains 7 fuses. Now, I suspect there are some statisticians here who can do the calculation for how many tests would be required for 7 types of fuses and 7 fuse installations. And how long it would take. A hundred years?
If that doesn’t suggest that the comparative testing of fuses is a waste of time, then I need an MRI of my left temporal lobe to make sure that my language comprehension is still in tact. Are we to believe that you're suggesting that a hundred year comparative study of fuses is REASONABLE USE of time? Of course not. And if it's not a reasonable use of time, then it's a waste of time. Q.E.D.

Need a sec. Deep breath... ahhh. That was tedious.

Time for my favorite part: the part where, right in the same post where you falsely accuse me of strawmanning you, YOU STAWMAN ME. The straw man begins with your comment that...
Your opinion matters more than someone who hasn't experimented, but it is still an opinion.
I never said, or implied, that my opinion is anything other than an opinion. Here's what I said, for example, about fuse direction...
06-06-12: Bryoncunningham
I could not hear any differences when changing direction for any of the fuses. Make of that what you will. Bad system. Bad ears. Bad method. Bad attitude. I just didn't hear it.
Does that sound like I believe that my opinion is anything other than an opinion? No.

The straw man continues with your comment that...
No one person's experiment is definitive, it's only a data point. We should consider your opinion along with all of the many other published experiments - and our own experiments.
I never said, or implied, that my experiment was definitive. Here's what I said...
05-18-12: Bryoncunningham
There it is. My not-particularly-scientific experiment in fancy fuses is concluded.
Does that sound like I was suggesting that my fuse experiment was definitive? No.

The straw man is completed with your comment that...
Simply because you are still sitting on the fence regarding fuses should not mean that anyone else should also be sitting on the fence.
I never said, or implied, that anyone needs to share my point of view. In fact, I've gone out of my way to emphasize that it is merely a point of view, as in...
06-06-12: Bryoncunningham
I suspect that the audible characteristics of fuses are largely extrinsic, and therefore variable from component to component and system to system. Admittedly, that is a SPECULATION.

Q.E.D.

And that concludes my latest Refutation and Reversal of your accusation of strawmanning. By my count, that is the third Refutation and Reversal on this subject. That should be enough for anybody. Why do you keep coming back to this Cycle of Abuse?

Bryon