You got to show me something more!

...intramural nonesense...along"

Amen, Frogman.

Dr.Slam and Frogman: Both of your posts are super.

"I can think of few things that musicians hold in more disregard than the use of a giant's name in vain. Calling oneself Coltrane is, if you really understand Jazz and the mindset of it's practitioners a drag to say the least."

Frogman: Some of your comments suggest but one more example of misquotation, presumption, and assumption about many things I've said since beginning this thread. I won't take a defensive posture to counter your suggestions, as they are your beliefs, and as such, you're entitled to them.

Not that I have to explain myself, but for the record, the moniker is COLTRANE1. It is but a moniker. It does not use another persons name in vain, as you suggest. It does promote A) an obvious enthusiasm for Coltrane's music, and B) in the very least does provoke curiosity on the part of some person to ask, "What does Coltrane1 stand for?" (which it has many a time), thereby initiating interest on the part of someone who had no idea who Coltrane was.

I'll not comment on the rest of your post other than to say, yes, a student of an instrument mimics in the beginning, but the ultimate objective is to find one's own voice. There are countless voices in JAZZ that you, I, or anyone can easily identify that don't copy each other.

I believe you have mistaken enthusiasm of JAZZ for arrogance. It's your perception, and like something else we all have, perception is in the mind of the individual. I believe, it is arrogant and ignorant to suggest your own interpretation of what another has written, and intended to say. But that's okay, for we as human beings do this naturally. We always presume our interpretation is what another is saying. And this error occurs in each and every thread ever created. The bottom line. It's about thought, and a sharing of ideas. Not to be taken so seriously, for in the big picture, IT AIN'T THAT CRITICAL.

Enjoy all!
Coltrane1

Coltrane1, you said, "I believe you have mistaken [my]enthusiasm of JAZZ for arrogance." I do appreciate the points you've made about jazz. But you did walk in here with a missionary complex, out to "enlighten" (your word, used several times) others about jazz. You seem surprised any time you discover another jazz supporter, so you must be unaware of the large number of jazz fans on this site, and of very recent jazz discussions here. Eldragan, who made the "jerky" comment, is not one of them. He's a busy contributor here, and he probably let his diligent work on the "best beer made anywhere" thread influence his style of commentary on this topic -- so what. You kind of violated many of the guidelines for how to work your way into a listserv, newsgroup, etc. I think that's why you're getting the reaction you are. Good luck!