Speaker repair-need help

Greg: All i can say to that is.... BWA-HAhahaha... You would have better luck investing in venture capital with junk bond king Michael Milliken than you would waiting for me on a project of this magnitude and scope. Too many different projects and a lack of motivation to get them all done. I'm so spread out it is ridiculous. The bad thing is, i know i'm throwing away gobs of money on so many different ideas and marketable products ( not only electronics ) that i have in my head that it isn't funny.

If you learn one thing from and about me, learn this. Most Irish people are great tellers of tales and history, not the actual people that go out and make history happen. If the opposite were true, the corner saloons and pubs would be empty. All of those sitting round nursing a drink and spinning great and enjoyable yarns would get up off their ass and become the subject of those types of stories, not telling people of others' exploits. then again, those bar stools ( and computer chairs ) can get quite comfortable. Know what i mean? Sean
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PS... To those of you that are of Irish descent and have their act together, i'm sorry for lumping you in with the rest of us. Drop me an email and share your secret with me, will ya? : )

Sean: LOL!

Sean...It would be interesting to read a A-B comparison review between the F's and Ohm's latest Walsh. I know they are different in many, many ways; the fact that they both have inverted cones may be the only thing left that they have in common and even at that, the cones are radicaly different. That being said...i have read a few reviews by people that did have the F's and traded them in for the latest Walsh and prefered the new ones, but they also got new electronics. Before i ordered the latest Walsh, i asked John at Ohm about the F's and he said the Walsh 5 MK-2 sound better. Another thing he said about the F's that i did not know, is that being that they are omni-directional, placement of the speakers becomes critical and sweet area becomes much smaller.
I would find your review on the Walsh 5 MK-2 very interesting, but as far as i know, you have never heard them. I have heard the F's once in a Shop a very long time ago and just remember i liked there spacious sound, but at that time i did not have two dimes to rub together.

Line: I can rattle off all kinds of reasons as to why the F's are ( theoretically ) technically superior to anything that Ohm makes today. I've covered some of that in previous posts pertaining to Ohm's and their Walsh series of products.

The fact that all of their newer products are vented compared to their sealed designs in the past tells me that they are no longer the same company. When one fully understands the design benefits & drawbacks of each approach, it would be hard to switch from one to the other, especially in the manner that Ohm did. Then again, vented boxes are cheaper to produce than sealed boxes are, so that may explain part of the equation in itself.

As to asking John at Ohm as to what he thinks sounds better, what type of response did you think you were going to get? Read the comments above about the complexity of this driver and then you'll understand why they stopped producing them. The fact that the amount of time that it takes for them to hand build one F driver is probably equivalent to building an entire set of their current speakers may explain some things. That is, time equals money. The less time and labour that you have in a product that you can sell for the same price equals a higher profit margin. Less cost on the drivers, less cost on the cabinets and same or even higher asking price. Hmmmm....

On top of that, you're comparing notes with John who owns Ohm. How many different makes / models of high end speakers do you think that he has gone out of his way to hear and actually listened to in-depth? Now compare that answer to Bill at Millersound, who has seen / repaired / listened to thousands of different makes and models. Given Bill's level of experience and exposure, the comments that he made pertaining to the performance potential of this speaker should tell you something. Sean
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PS... Anyone that tells you that the F's have a "small sweet spot" is either a blatant liar or is "confused" and knows not of what they speak. A small sweet spot boils down to a lack of horizontal dispersion. Between an omni driver and one using a focused array, can you tell me which one is going to be more limited in horizontal dispersion??? I'll give you a hint. Once i was able to get them dialed in with the proper support components, my F's have produced the deepest and widest soundstage that i've ever encountered.

Sean
I have a pair of F's from Bill at Miller sound, and they are impressive. I found him while trying to get my G's repaired and like you was impressed with the conversation with him. So after a few talks with him he told me that I could do it myself and so I have. I had a good time doing it and they all have come out great. I get my parts from Tom at WVS (recone.com) 260-424-5463.
The problem is they are time consuming just to clean out the epoxy alone, and man if you are not careful it is lost. Imagine trying to find another cone.
I am sure Bill told you that if he did do it you should not ship them (lost or damaged and it is all over), only personal delivery. I praise Bill for what he has taught me about the repairs.
I could go on about this forever, but I will say that damn can they handle power now. BILL DO NOT READ THIS lets say the meter has danced between 200 and 400 watts quite a bit. As for the sound try The Devil Went Down to Gorgia will make your hair stand up.