Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Evolution

Johnstassi-

Thanks for your input. I currently have a pair of 1cs and am considering upgrading to the 2ce-sigs. Since RV has been updating them every year, I would think that even minor changes compounded over 8 years would at some point become signficant. Also wondering if any of the technology from the Quatros or 5A has trinkled down to the 2ce-sigs.

Does your 2ce have the 1" or 3/4" tweeter? RV says in his Q&A that the last few months of the 2ce had many of the upgrades of the 2ce-sig including the 1" tweeter. That definitely would affect the top end.

Could you let us know how the new 2ce-sigs sound after you've tweaked their placement/tilt and are fully broken in?

The 2 CE did have the 1" tweeter. Jebel- what types of music do you usually listen to?

I purchased a pair less than a year ago and thought they had a nice tonal balance with lots of detail but not harsh. I then moved them around and they sounded bright and a little edgy even after adjusting the tilt. Even though the speakers are about 4 feet away from the side walls, I noticed a big difference when folded blankets were placed temporarily along the side walls as recommended in the manual. So I ended up mounting some absorption panels to deal with the reflections and couldn't be happier. The brightness is gone and the soundstage depth increased quite a bit also. Might be worth a try Johnstassi.

I listen to all types of music. Moderate Rock (Dire Straits, Peter Gabriel, Elvis Costello, Clapton, Blondie, Rush, etc.) some Celtic, and symphonic music.

I've read that the Vandies are better for jazz, than say rock, but I like the laid back sound. I don't want anything too up-front and bright. I'm content with the 1cs, but feel the mids could be fuller and the overall sound more open.

Vandersteen's are hard to load into as frequency increases and tend to roll-off up high. I don't know why this is, as i've never pulled one of his speakers apart, but my guess is that it is something in the crossover network. I don't know if he uses Zobel networks on the various drivers, but i have seen this cause similar situations.

With that in mind, you need to keep the impedance of the speaker cable VERY low and have a stable amp. If you use speaker cables with a higher nominal impedance ( most are ) and / or an amp that is very load sensitive ( some are more than others ), you'll end up with a softer, closed in sound.

The key here is to look at the system as a system and build it accordingly. Since part of what we hear is quite room / speaker placement dependent, that obviously needs to be considered as part of the system too. Have you exhausted the existing variables available to you in trying to resolve the lack of midrange weight and treble response or are you looking to try a "drop in" answer to your problems?

Knowing what you have for gear and / or how it is set up might get you a lot closer to what you are looking for without having to ship your speakers anywhere. Then again, you might be forced to do something like that or even replace the speakers all together to achieve your desired sonics. While i can understand your line of questioning, and it is quite valid, we can't really help you with the other things that you mentioned until we have more specifics. Sean
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