Speaker db rating?


Does anyone knowthe ratio of a speakers db rating, 1 db at 1 meter,relitive to amplifier watts to power them well enough to be loud enough in a small room.
Example:what kind of db rating would one look for if a 8 watt amplifier was used?
How does each point,as the rating increases,affect the wattage needed to drive the speaker.
Thanks
G.H.
groundhog
Don't forget, you also get 3db for the second speaker but also consider a loss in volume due to distance from the speakers.
Zippyy is correct on both counts.

SPL falls off by 6 dB for every doubling of distance from a point source under anechoic conditions, but then in a non-anechoic room you get back energy from the reverberant field - and how much of a difference that makes depends on the room acoustics and distance from the speakers.

Once all is factored in, actual SPL at a listening distance of 10 feet in a semi-damped/semi-reverberant room is often about 3 dB less than the calculated 1 meter peak SPL for a single speaker. In other words, the 102 dB rule of thumb described above typically translates to about 99 dB peak at the listening position (adequate for some people, but not for everyone). But, it's much less math-intensive to do the 1 meter calculation for a single speaker. Obviously if you know your room is on the overdamped side and/or you listen from fairly far away in a big room and/or you like it fairly loud, you'll need to shoot for an amplifier/speaker combination that can deliver higher sound pressure levels.

To cover my bases, I should point out that the 102 dB rule of thumb applies to tube amplifiers only. Solid state amplifiers produce audible distortion at lower average power output levels because their characteristics when driven into clipping are more objectionable - so if you're using a solid state amp, use a 105 dB rule of thumb. Also, this only holds for fairly high efficency speakers - if you're doing this calculation with 85 dB speakers and a big amplifier, you're probably going to run into some thermal compression so factor in another 2-3 dB or so. In other words, 8 tube watts on a 93 dB tube-friendly speaker will probably produce audible signs of distress at around the same average (not peak) sound pressure level as 150-200 solid state watts on an 85 dB speaker.

Duke
Makes the case for hi-eff horns doesnt it;) The -6db for every doubling of distance is not fully true for large horns. I have a pair that has greater SPL at 15ft than at 7ft. Large horns like these dont lose SPL to distance as much as non horn loudspeakers. Why horns rule in PA, sound reinforcement,theaters and yes hi-quality home audio reproduction. Every year more manufacters use horns or wave guides;) Must be reason...If I was going with a 8 watt tube amp depending on my tastes budget room etc. I would look for loudspeakers with min 90db 8 ohms -114db 8ohms.
Don't forget that the crossover used can affect how much power you will need, a complex crossover with lots of parts will need more power to sound dynamic than a simple or no crossover will. Some speakers have only a cap on the tweeters while others use no crossover(single driver designs) Tell us which speakers you are considering or what is your price range and I'm sure you will get lots of suggestions. For low cost try Hornshop Horns, Reference3 A Mm De Capo's will work with 8 watts also (92db@1watt1meter and only a cap on the tweets. I use Sonist Concerto2 (95db rated with good results paired with 5 watt amp.
Groundhog- Read this before you get too confused between amplifier output power, SPL and perceived loudness levels: (http://www.audioholics.com/education/frequently-asked-questions/relationship-between-watts-and-dbs) You'll notice that it actually takes 10 times the amplifier power to produce an SPL that SOUNDS twice as loud to our ears. That is an important factor to consider with your goals.