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Small room, "budget priced" speaker advice, please

Hi,

I recently sold my dearly beloved, old Vandersteen 2C's here on Audiogon (and I hope SgtPeppers is loving them at this moment!) :-) I did this because in our remodeled house, my new listening room (which will double as a guest room) is just too small for the 2C's. The Spousal Acceptance Factor was just too low. ;-)

I have a PS Audio Elite-Plus integrated amp for power (around 70 W/Ch) and a soon-to-be-shipped-off-for-a-refurb Sota Sapphire for an analog front end (I have "miles" of vinyl)! I will also get a CD player at some point.

For now, I need to find a pair of best-of-breed, truly "budget" speakers. By "budget," I'm talking upper limit of $850/pair. (Gone are my free-spending, single days... I'm a dad now...) :-)

Listening habits: lots of 60's and 70's folk and rock, some jazz, Donald Fagen/Steely Dan, a little classical. Listening volume: not too loud. Sonic preferences: I value transparency and imaging/soundstage. Bass should be accurate above all, as opposed to chest-pounding powerful.

I've looked at Paradigms, which I know are highly regarded at lower price points. Trouble is, our one, local dealer is primarily a TV/home theater outfit, so you're trying to hear them in a showroom crammed with other stuff... you know the drill. I've also hit a high end shop. Listened to a pair of PSB small towers and disliked them; they sounded muddy and veiled to me. Listened to a pair of the smallest Rega's and liked them quite a bit, but would want to go back to listen again. I even wrote to PS Audio for advice; they recommended the "baby" Epos monitors, but they're out of my price range.

Thanks if you've read this far. Knowing how subjective all this is, I'd still welcome any advice you have to offer about what I should try to audition.
rebbi
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knownothing
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I have heard Triangles and compared them carefully to the Dynaudio Audience line - I clearly preferred the Dynaudios. Maybe it was due to cheap electronics (NAD separates) or the Triangles not being broken in yet. Dunno.

I have listened to the Totems several times and compared them directly to Epos and Naim speakers with Rega, Naim and Musical Fidelity electronics. I generally prefer the Totems, but it was very close in this contest.

I have heard the Devores and compared them to the budget Quads and Regas listening through Naim and Rega electronics and preferred them in this order: Devore, Quad (close second) and Rega. The Devores were a lot more money than the Quads (2x), so they better sound better.

I have not heard the Kudos or AVIs.

For how you described your tastes and needs, and how you described your listening experience, I would think that you would be very happy with the Totem Rainmakers. Or you might consider a used pair of Totem Arros (ususally around $700 - $800). I think they image even better than the Rainmakers if you have any space on your floor for a very slender box (speaking of Dianna Krall - she supposedly owns/owned a pair of these).

One last note - does anybody carry the B&W CM1's in your area? I love these little speakers too - although they may require more grunt to really make them sing.
rebbi OP
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Knownothing,

Hi! I did find a home theater shop that carries the B & W's, and I'll try to get over there today. TAS raved about them, and the reviewer praised the qualities that I value the most, so I'll have a listen.
Finally got to hear a pair of Rega R3's at another audio shop yesterday. They sounded way, way better than the R1's I'd heard at a different dealer, but the bass, on his setup, was kind of muddy and indistinct.
By the way, I wrote back to PS Audio to ask about my Elite Plus's ability to drive 4 ohm speakers. They said that if the amp was in good shape (it should be) and the room was of moderate size, I should have no trouble driving Totems, Dynaudios, etc.
rebbi OP
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By the way, here's the link to that TAS review of the CM-1's:

http://www.avguide.com/file-download?review=2476
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Rebbi,

Thanks for the reference. The TAS article notes the CM1 has a sensitivity of 84db. I have listened to them powered by a 50W/ch NAD amp (fairly lifeless and dull combination) and a 500W/ch Rotel switching amp, and the latter really got them up on a plane. For that reason, these may not be the best choice for your application. I suggest auditioning the CM1's through something similar to your PS Audio amplifier in terms of power and current and comparing that to a much higher power unit to see whether you would be under powering them at 70W. I think the Totem Rainmaker (87.5db) or Dynaudio Audience 42 (86db) might be a better match, even running at 4 ohms. Curious to hear your perspective after listening.
zkzpb8
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Rebbi, the Austin shop is Whetstone audio:
http://www.whetstoneaudio.com/

Brian is really great, he hooked me up with my Cyrus gear - maybe try some of his offerings. BTW, I've tried all of the speakers mentioned so far (and like many of them), but the Ohms still rate higher IMO :) Seriously though, you're auditioning some nice speakers... have fun!
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