My speakers don't "dissapear"


Equipment used: Krell 400xi, Krell DVD Standard, Focal Utopia Mico Be's.

I have had my system for a couple months now. I have tweaked and moved and adjusted (even rearranged my living room) to get the speakers to image and "disappear" but no luck. No matter what I do, I can clearly tell the sound is coming from the speakers, no soundstage.

Will more burn in help? I only have about 40 hrs on the equipment in it's current state.
gherrera1
I second Soix's response.before you buy new cables or treatment,try to borrow a pair of speakers and see if the problem persists
Nordost cables works well with Krell IMHO, contrary to what other folks said. With your system you must have the support of the dealer, he should be able to let your speakers disappear. Of course, the acoustic of the room is very important and also here, a good dealer should be able to give you some good suggestion, and I do not mean "spend more money"!!!
Good luck!
40 hours on a new pair of high end speakers? This is not the time to make judgements about what your system will or will not do, period. All this conjecture means very little in my opinion. All your gear and cables need to continue to settle in, and the speakers need break in, or whatever you choose to call it. Leave the system untouched other than to play music, and if you can 24/7. From all reports, these speakers need hundreds of hours. Leave all your cables untouched.
My bet is that the coffee table between the speaker and listening position is a major problem area. If it cannot be moved elsewhere, I would at least put things on the table to diffuse the reflection, such as magazines, art objects, some kind of cloth covering, etc.

As far as room treatment, most of the serious audio treatments are pretty ugly and intrusive. Wall coverings (tapestries) on large, flat surfaces do a really good job with higher frequencies and can actually look good too. Some people also used potted plants in corners of the room to act as diffusers (I personally have not tried this, I use stacks of 16" ASC tube traps).

I would certainly hold off on trying alternative speakers/gear. Your speakers should be good at imaging, and if they are not, the problem most likely lies elsewhere. I would concentrate on trying different placement and geometry (toe-in, angle between the speakers and the listener, backwards tilt, etc.).
Well, here is what I did. I tried most all suggestions, but the three that worked best for me were these:

1. Move speakers more forward, away from the plasma TV. Coffee table has magazines and other objects on it already to diffuse any reflections.

2. Fire the speakers with less toe in. They are firing almost straight ahead with good results.

3. Move the speakers closer to each other. I had them about 8 or 9 feet apart, and now they are closer to 6~7 feet apart. My listening position is about 7 feet away.

The third change made the biggest difference. I was anticipating a soundstage width collapse, but the exact opposite occured! Even the lowest of the bass improved and the overall bass to midbass range smoothed out significantly.

I moved a lounge chair into one corner as well and I think that also contributed to a smoother lower end.

All in all, it's a huge improvement than before. Certain recordings "dissapear" more than others now. It's at the point where it's approaching what I heard at the dealer. I'm hoping that some more burn in will settle things down a bit more.