Wilson Sophia 2's on Marantz Reference


I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Wilson Sophia 2's and Marantz Reference combo. I am looking into getting a pair of the wilsons and setting them up with the Marantz PM-11s2 integrated and the Marantz SA-7s1 SACD player. Cabling will be Tara Labs or Audioquest. Powercords will be Shunyata Anacondas or Tara Labs The One. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm not sure Accuphase is better built than Marantz. Have you handled and/or looked inside any of their new stuff?

I have and it's very impressive. Typical Japanese i.e. almost overbuilt; terrific fit and finish.

Disclaimer- I handle neither line.
I've heard both extensively, and I feel that the Sophia is the better sounding speaker comapared to the WP8.

I have heard the Maxx and the Alexandria as well...

So, I completely disagree about the whole Sophia not being good enough relative to the WP8. They are different sounding speakers. There is a reason why the Sophia has so many excellent reviews and "best of" awards. It's because it's a really, really good sounding speaker. 1000%> better sounding than the 802D IMO, which to me sounds disjointed and tinny on the top.

So Dylan, you are welcome to your opinion, but it is an opinion, and not fact.
Thanks Blindjim, yes I agree, there are definitely sub-genres even within the narrow confines of "high-end".

To me, there are some companies that are EXCLUSIVELY "high-end", such as Rockport as you mentioned, and Wilson, Magico and Kharma, for example.

Then there are many other brands that have SOME "high-end" speakers, and some (if not most) that are not.

B&W, Focal and KEF would fit in these categories, amongst many others. No reasonable person would deny that the Focal Grande Utopia EM is not a "high-end" speaker, or the B&W Nautilus. Yet few people make that claim about the Focal Chorus 726V or the B&W CM9, even though they are both very fine speakers, and certainly relative to other lines of their respective brands, very good value.

And of course there are many companies that don't deal with the "high-end" end of things, but are outstanding manufacturers. There are too many to mention, but I know if I had only a fraction of my budget, I would still be very happy with what's available in the under-$5,000 range, or even less.

Some ID speaker brands come to mind and they seem to offer the best "bang for the buck" these days. Speaking of which, I have heard some people praise the Salk Veracity HT3 as being superior to the Wilson Sophia 2, which doesn't surprise me.

And with the Salk Veracity HT3 priced at under ONE-THIRD of the cost of the Sophia 2s, you have to wonder if the Sophia 2s would ever sell if they didn't have the Wilson name. Certainly there are many others that agree with you that the Sophia 2s offer poor cost-to-performance ratio.

Like I said before, Wilson is a great speaker manufacturer. But part of what makes them great is their focus on the "ultra high-end". The speakers they make are certainly "cost-no-object", even for the manufacturer, and for consumers in that section of the market, such high prices aren't as much of an issue as it would be for those buyers looking at speakers at the "high-end entry-level". As a result, the Sophia 2 was designed to meet a restrictive price-point, unlike Wilson's "cost-no-object" speakers.

But what the problem is with a company like Wilson making a speaker like the Sophia 2, which costs about 1/13th of the price of their Alexandria X-2 Series 2, is that Wilson, despite being described as "the most successful high-end speaker manufacturer in the world", simply does not have the economies of scale to produce a value-competitive product at this price range.

While undoubtedly successful in the "high-end" world, no one would ever claim Wilson has the economies of scale to rival those of popular speaker manufacturers such as Paradigm, Energy or Definitive Audio. And if any of these speaker companies were to release the Sophia 2, with their economies of scale, the Sophia 2 would cost closer to $4,000, not $14,000.
Jeepers Dylanhenry, could you please list all of the amazing gear and speakers you have owned? Gee, that sure would be nice. Maybe then we could have a little peak at the man behind the knowledge:)
Dylan, there is nothing wrong with you being convinced of your opinion, you are just unwilling to accept any other that disagrees with you. You have relentlessly put down the Sophia with the same arguement over and over, not all people agree with you.

Wilson is a great speaker manufacturer. But part of what makes them great is their focus on the "ultra high-end".
Some would say it is that focus that allows them to have trickle down affect to make a great speaker like the Sophia at its price point.

There is plenty of room for more than one great speaker manufacturer in this hobby and for us to prefer differences.

You state as if a fact the 802D is better than the Sophia, this may be for you; I have already stated above that I owned the 802D, I did so for a year and a half and I tried them with several different amps and in my opinion they never sounded great. Now maybe it was my room or some other factor, but having heard the Sophia side-by-side with the 802D, and my past experience, I would take the Sophia without hesitation, which I already stated.