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Clayton Audio Class A amps. Need amp advice

Hi Guys,

I am looking to change my amps and for a few reasons.

First because I just upgraded my DAC from the great PS Audio DirectStream to the incredible Bricasti M1 DSD USB DAC. I love the Bricasti and it has shown that in my system it could offer me more with a more resolving and neutral amp IMO.

I am currently am using the wonderful sounding CJ Premier 12 mono tube amps. I love them and tubes in general but my speakers are the great Ascendo C8 Renaissance and look to present a somewhat benign load being 88 efficient and 6ohm but they are unique and have an internal firing 21 cm Kevlar Bass driver that is great but stubborn and the speakers I think will really shine with a iron fist control of that driver.

I love tubes, always have and always will but I grown tires of a flabby bottom which is exasperated by a unique and somewhat difficult to grip bass driver set up I spoke about above.

I want an amp that can give me as much tube sound as possible but with Grip and bottom end. I know this is a lot to ask for in the used $5k to $7k price range.

I have read and it seem like the Clayton offer exactly what I am looking for but wanted to hear from some of you guys if anyone has ever heard them or know of them or anything. Any info would really be appreciated. Here is the info on my speakers and I will also list the rest of my system in case you think that is helpful. Thanks

C8 Renaissance
Technical Data
Principle
• Three-Way with SASB bass unit (TOS Off)
(current damped outer driver with semi symmetrical band pass)
• Four-Way with SASB bass unit (TOS On)
Dimensions (W/H/D)
• 28 / 80 / 40 (without Base)
• 28 / 108 / 40 (with Base)
Weight
35 kg
Frequency Range
29 Hz (-3 dB) – 32.000 Hz
Power Rating
350 W Program (min)
Impedance
6 Ohm
Sensivity
88 dB / 1W/m
Outer Chassis (COAX)
• 25 mm Neodymium-fabric-tweeter
• 18 cm Woofer with XP cone
Inner Chassis
• 21 cm Chassis, Kevlar cone
TOS Chassis
• Ribbon-tweeter
TOS Function
• switchable (TOS Unit - Dipole AN / AUS)
Sockets
• Single / BiWiring Base
Dimensions (W/H/D)
28 / 18 / 40 cm
Weight
11 kg

Ascendo C-8 Renaissance Speakers (Germany) Speaker
Purist Audio Design Corvus Praesto Revision 2.5m Bi-Wire Speaker cable
Darwin TRUTH Pure Silver Reference 1 Meter RCA Interconnect
Darwin TRUTH Pure Silver Reference 1 Meter RCA Interconnect
Bricasti M1 USB / DSD / Volume Control DAC (New) DA converter
Tellurium Q BLACK DIAMOND Reference USB Cable
Decware ZSTAGE External Triode Output StageTelefunken ECC801S
Audio Research REFERENCE 1 MK II w/Rhodium IEC/NOS Tubes Tube preamp
PS Audio PowerPlant Premier AC Regenerator
Conrad Johnson Premier 12 Mono's 140 Watts Tung-Sol KT120's Tube amp
Salamander Amplifier Stands (2) Synergy System AV Furniture Stand
BMI Shark Jeweler Grade Platinum 9 AWG AC Power Cable
Mad Scientist PC-NEO with Power Purifier 11 AWG Power Cable
Sablon Audio Petite Corona 2.0M 7 AWG AC Power Cable
JPS Labs The Power AC+ 2M 8 AWG AC Power Cable
Synergistic Research Labs Tesla Series SE T1 AC Power Cable
Synergistic Research Labs Tesla Series T1 AC Power Cable
PS Audio Noise Harvester (5) Converts noise to light
OYAIDE RI Beryllium Power Outlets (2)
Blue Circle Audio The Yalu Balula Industrial Surge/Spike Protection
JPLAY v5.2 hi-end audio player turns PC into a digital transport.
Fidelizer Pro Version 6.1
JRiver Media Center 19 Music Software
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onhwy61
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So we're going to have to pry your Darwin interconnects from your cold, dead hands?

If the impact of cables is so "huge" then what makes you think the best cable with your CJ amp will still be the right choice with the Clayton? You might have to jump down the cable rabbit hole one more time and repeat all that hard work. In the intervening time period when you are listening to music it won't hurt to use the adapters, it just won't be the optimal setup.
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sbank
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Frank,
You might be missing the significance of Al's last post (and Atmasphere's linked comments) that your cable differences might not be as great in this instance, hence Mogami XLR probably can do the trick at low cost.

Trying your adapters won't hurt, too.

One of those options should be good enough to satisfy and you can always upgrade to balanced Darwins etc. down the road.

I checked the thread figuring you would have bought the Claytons by now based on our phone conversation, but laughed when I saw so many more considerations raised.

FWIW, I agree that adding transformers and extra sets of cables is to be avoided if possible. Cheers,
Spencer
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04-15-15: Onhwy61: your right prob could very well be opening another can of worms. Ugghhh

Hey Spencer,

Ya struggling a bit here for sure... lol

If I can't find the right amp and not sure I can then it may just be easier to get a better matching set of speakers.

I know it seems like throwing the baby out with the bath water but my CJ's are not SETs they push out 140 watts and sound just like butta. The grip I want to control that fat, stubborn, internal Kevlar driver is gonna prob cost me my rich, lush, fatty, warm enveloping, 3d sound stage that is awfully addicting. Once into big tubes that sound this nice its hard to give up but its all about give and take unless you real long coin then you can have it all which I don't have... My bud has a super neutral, newer, ss based, higher end rig and we both agree that other than that dang bass driver my sounds wonderful more musical and really to state is plainly better. It doesn't tic all the little boxes like his but the whole seems to add to more than the sum of its parts. I guess I need to give some credit of my likeable system to my Bricasti, CJ's, Darwin, PAD and not over credit Ascendo.

Might just say pull the trigger and keep my amps and trade my Ascendo's grab a pair of EgglestonWorks Andra III and be done with it. My other work bud drives his an 80 watt tube amp and they sound amazing. 8ohm, 88 efficient my do the trick... Atleast I won't have to mess with my dang interconnects again...lol. Ya I am all over the place but just don't want to screw it up...
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sbank
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Frank,
Before you drown the baby in the bath water re-read your old praise of the C8s.

IMHO, "The grip I want to control that fat, stubborn, internal Kevlar driver is gonna prob cost me my rich, lush, fatty, warm enveloping, 3d sound stage that is awfully addicting" you just described the pros/cons of the Premier 12s.

If possible, ply your pals with food & drink and get them to either bring their speakers to your place to try w/the amps or bring the amps to theirs and try them w/the Andras, etc. IME, Andras (I not III) needed lots of power and current to reveal their potential and I would be surprised if an 80w tube amp could do it well.

Have you heard from anyone that they've heard C8s driven with "tight grip on the bottom" that you seek? If so, what amps did they use to do so? That's a key question for you. Cheers,
Spencer
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bombaywalla
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Have you heard from anyone that they've heard C8s driven with "tight grip on the bottom" that you seek? If so, what amps did they use to do so? That's a key question for you. Cheers,
Spencer
Sbank, I think this might have stated already in this thread (& maybe not?) but Ascendo's driven by a CAT JL2 has that "tight grip on the bottom end" but it means a lot of outlay of money to acquire that amp (which seems to be out of the budget of the OP)....
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