Sub s for Dali Megaline system


I am interested in a subwoofer system (1 or 2) for my two channel room. It consists of the Dali Megaline III speakers driven by McIntosh electronics--C1000C 3 piece preamp and 2 sets of MC501 monoblocks. My listening tastes vary widely and includes classic/orchestral, classic rock/pop/r&b, and specific female vocalists. I am strongly considering a pair of Jl Audio Fathom 212's (the Gothams seem way too big). I'd appreciate any input. Ray.
rros05666
The Torus unlike so many other subs does not have a long throw drive. What it does do is move a lot of air very very quickly. It works in push pull, like an electrostatic speaker. I spoke with Craig Milnes the designer and he said the Torus goes down to 2hz. At that frequency you get more heat then anything else. There is a dip switch on the bottom of the amp that rolls off the low end. You can choose no roll off or 10hz or 15hz or 20hz and others.

If you think that a speaker or subwoofer or infrasonic generator is deficient because it doesn't go down to what ever you yourself have established as a base line then you should simply listen to the Torus to clarify all the misinformation floating about.

I would simply say that I have no room for speakers or subs that double and take the bass and blow it up out of all proportion. For example a $4000 speaker that says it goes down to 26hz verses a $40,000 loudspeaker that makes that same claim. Which one do you imagine sounds more like real music?
The issue is quality over quantity. In America quantity has been wining out but it is up to you to decide.

Good luck guys.
Jim
Thanks Jim for reminding of something I forgot to mention. A filter in a sub which rolls off frequencies below a cut off value can be a very useful tool. The more octaves a driver has to cover the greater the inter modulation distortion of that driver. A number of well known subs have such a filter for this very reason. This will, of course, raise the measured f3 but will improve the accuracy of the driver. A perfect example of why f3 is a lousy criteria for judging music reproduction quality. If your are listening to H.T. then you may well want an earth shaker with a low f3 and very high output. These can be had very inexpensively. I never really understood why we never judge mains by their frequency response but we do with subs. If you listen to two channel music low e on bass is 41.5hz and a Boesendorfer grand gets you only to 27hz. Below this there is no natural music ( except pipe organ) and human hearing falls off at around 20hz. Yes fundamentals exist below this but all the subs mentioned have some significant output below 20hz. The Torus is a FANTASTIC sub for music. Not so great for H.T. imho. It has virtually no overhang to my ears and sounds highly damped which I think suits music but not explosions. Is it worth it ? Listen in your own home and hear for yourself. Be your own judge. - Jim
Aldavis

I know what you mean when you say it sound dampened. I am a dealer for Wilson benesch speakers and I have to say that because they are made from carbon fiber and there for very very fast the sound that you hear from the Torus is just that. Clean Clean and Fast Fast..

May the gods of music bless you. No doubt the other gods will curse you.
Jim
Uhmmmm. Thanks guys for all that input. Anyway, I've considered all the above and was about to pull the trigger on the...until mating a pair of the Scaena subs (single or dual 18") with the Megalines was suggested. Any thoughts?
By the way, my listening room is rather large--19' wide x 23' deep x 22' high ceilings, with dual hallways and a balcony leading to another large volume room behind the listening room.