How do you spot an overplayed used lp without obvious scratches etc


I'm pretty good at spotting record defects and scratches that will or won't affect sound quality.
Even with a well done cleaning, you play what looks like a good album and it has simbilence, a rough thick surface noise etc.

how do you spot these from a gem pressing?, 
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very good discussion, thank you all

My biggest problem is being able to tell if a record has groove damage from a mistracking or poor stylus


I own a very extensive collection of mint US, UK, Japanese, etc pressing that I have meticulously cared for over the years. Most of the time I am able to find the gem used records even if they have some issues. I have a ZYX cartridge which tracks very low in the groove which is good, a KL Audio Ultrasonic cleaner which really makes a huge difference in the noise floor and subtle dynamics and try to buy the best looking records. In jazz you sometimes have to lower your standards for old stuff, in classical you get pristine copies for nothing. For music in general and especially rock, I mostly favor old original issues as they typically have more open natural sound. There are exceptions where the reissue is the way to go and the Steve Hoffman music forum is a great place to figure out which to buy. Some labels like Sundazed - every lp is bright and unlistenable. I ate Booker T and the MG albums until I went back to a few slightly noisy originals - can never find totally clean ones. The KL Audio ultrasonic cleaner is a huge investment but worth it for me. It works fantastic and can get the gunk out even on new pressings, but it can’t do anything about record wear from a stylus, etc.

I am a stickler, check for warps, depth of scratches, in New Orleans mold can be an issue, and always hold the discs up to outside light. My local store puts new slip covers on everything and generally doesn’t take anything that doesn’t look good (unless it’s a dollar bin).

Still as others of you have mentioned, figuring out if there is noise from stylus wear is tough, especially from visual inspection. Thanks for the spindle / label tips, I do look at hole wear. I am not one to play test a record on a cheap table and destroy it.


thanks

dhl93449,

All of the remastered, 180 gram, and direct to disc recordings of Trick of the Tail suck.  I have several copies.  The first pressing release is the only one to have.  You can chuck all the others.

Norman
audiotomb,

This might rock your boat and go against everything you've ever been taught.  Purchase a high mass tonearm, 12" is best.  Select a cartridge of your choice that is available with a 'conical' stylus and that tracks at a minimum of 2 grams.  (modern lps can track at up to 6 grams without damage… ask a pressing plant)

Now play your records.  I know this is very much the Art Dudley approach (that and using an idler drive table), but the records come to life and sound so much better then when using a light arm, cartridge and stylus.  It took me years to work up to tracking at 2grams which I do on my modified Dual 1229 with a Grace 747 tonearm.  On my Garrard 301 I have a SME 3009 and a Denon 103 tracking at 2.75.  This is what I play my pre 1965 LP's on with near perfect results.

Also, the conical stylus is very true to the groove and very easy on it as well. To your surprise, you won't miss out on any bass or treble using it. An elliptical stylus will dig deeper into the groove and do to the shape of the stylus in many cases will cut it's way through the groove, creating wear and surface noise.  LP's that you thought were unlistenable, can probably be played back with good results using the conical stylus.  
(I am certain that I will all types of grief for this from many of you)

Ever notice how most Japanese audio files will use low watt tube gear, old Altec or JBL horn speakers and high mass idler drive tables, arms and cartridges?  The reason is the tone and dynamics they reproduce.

It can certainly change your listening habits and make you rethink things.

Norman




Ha!  My spell check missed spelled 'audiophiles'… I need to go back to drinking caffeinated coffee so that I can catch that type of thing before I post…

Sorry...
N.

The 1980 Japanese Trick of the Tail is very nice


I track at 1.8 on my ZYX Universe

I considered a second arm with a less nuanced cartridge for heavier rocking stuff