The Frogman:
Oh My! Seems as if we have finally come full circle. I remember back in the beginning of this thread, or the one that preceeded it, I was attacked from all sides for saying I thought Jazz needed 'defending'. All I got was:
BOO!! HISS!! OUTRAGE!! DEFENDED FROM WHAT!?!? IDIOT!!
Seems as if you are now 'defending' Muscians and Muscianship. They do need defending!! I know the feeling.
All your comments are right on target, IF, I said IF, this were a class at a music school. Or, if this was a thread consisting of Jazz players, or just Musicians in general. I said many months ago that you would eventually be bored with the comments made on this thread. I think I said, 'bored to tears'.
This entire thread is about what we like, or don't like. Musical expertise has nothing to do with it. It's all based on emotion. If it does not grab you, or connect with you, what difference does it make how well the player can play the instrument?
Based on your argument, Maurice Andre could have been the greatest Jazz trumpet player in history. The fact that he didn't/couldn't play Jazz is not important. He for sure had the N&Bs.
The question is this: Which way makes for a more interesting thread? After all, we are just here to TALK about the music we love, and to be exposed to, or turned on to, music we are not aware of.
Great Jazz, might have great N&B's, but great N&B's, does not always make great Jazz.
When you say Harrell played a classic Bebop solo on the clip, I say, so what? I didn't like it. And, judging by his place in Jazz history, and CD/LP sales, I am not alone! Remember, these players of today still have to COMPETE with the all-time greats. Miles' and Hubbard's CDs are in the same rack as Harrell's.
Was Miles among the best when it came to N&Bs? I don't know. It does not matter. My ears, his reputation, and his place in the history of Jazz tell me, it does not matter!
BTW, I would say that the opinions on this thread are much more 'justified' and 'backed up', than those on ANY OTHER THREAD on the entire Audiogon site.
None of this is personal to me. Enjoyed your post.
Cheers
Oh My! Seems as if we have finally come full circle. I remember back in the beginning of this thread, or the one that preceeded it, I was attacked from all sides for saying I thought Jazz needed 'defending'. All I got was:
BOO!! HISS!! OUTRAGE!! DEFENDED FROM WHAT!?!? IDIOT!!
Seems as if you are now 'defending' Muscians and Muscianship. They do need defending!! I know the feeling.
All your comments are right on target, IF, I said IF, this were a class at a music school. Or, if this was a thread consisting of Jazz players, or just Musicians in general. I said many months ago that you would eventually be bored with the comments made on this thread. I think I said, 'bored to tears'.
This entire thread is about what we like, or don't like. Musical expertise has nothing to do with it. It's all based on emotion. If it does not grab you, or connect with you, what difference does it make how well the player can play the instrument?
Based on your argument, Maurice Andre could have been the greatest Jazz trumpet player in history. The fact that he didn't/couldn't play Jazz is not important. He for sure had the N&Bs.
The question is this: Which way makes for a more interesting thread? After all, we are just here to TALK about the music we love, and to be exposed to, or turned on to, music we are not aware of.
Great Jazz, might have great N&B's, but great N&B's, does not always make great Jazz.
When you say Harrell played a classic Bebop solo on the clip, I say, so what? I didn't like it. And, judging by his place in Jazz history, and CD/LP sales, I am not alone! Remember, these players of today still have to COMPETE with the all-time greats. Miles' and Hubbard's CDs are in the same rack as Harrell's.
Was Miles among the best when it came to N&Bs? I don't know. It does not matter. My ears, his reputation, and his place in the history of Jazz tell me, it does not matter!
BTW, I would say that the opinions on this thread are much more 'justified' and 'backed up', than those on ANY OTHER THREAD on the entire Audiogon site.
None of this is personal to me. Enjoyed your post.
Cheers