Upgrading to an external Phonostages for my system


Here is my system...

Harman Karman HK990
VPI Scout turntable with a JMW-9 memorial arm and an Ortofon 2m bronze cartridge (mm)
Revels F52’s
SVS PB-NSD subwoofer.

Not schooled on these components at all but I’m in the process of researching them. I know it’s important to match the tone arm, and cart to it. What about the connects?

Someone has suggested a used JD9mk11, another suggested a used Ear834P.

Any suggestions?

Thank you for your input.

meambler

Hi, meambler, I guess my perspective differs from the others but I think you might find a noticable improvement in sound using a separate phono stage, depending on what you get. The HK 990 is likely a fine integrated amp (based on what I've read about it and having used HK amps in the past) and I wouldn't be in a big hurry to replace it. The onboard phono stage may be slightly less "audiophile" than the rest of the amp but that's no more than a hunch; it may sound pretty darn good as is. But if you're serious about upgrading, read on...

The biggest problem is that there are a bunch of great phono preamps in the $1000 -$1500 price range. Even up to $2000 over the long run. That's the range I'd be considering given the system you're running. The range could drop to $750 and there are even more options that would be worth looking into, but I think your current system could benefit from a quality phono preamp, especially when/if you upgrade the cartridge. (But that's a whole 'nother story. '-) Used phono stages are a low risk purchase in most cases so you could stretch your dollar that way.

You'll have to do some research and ideally you'll have a chance to listen to some examples, but here are the phono stages I'd be looking at if I were replacing mine (AcousTech PH-1P with Michell Gyro SE/SME 309):

Rogue Audio Triton (SS) $1000 (I use a Rogue Stealth with a mmf-7)

Musical Surroundings Nova II  $1200 (LOTS of flexibility in this one! I almost bought one before going with the PH-1P.)

Avid Pellar  $1200 (Has a slot for custom resistors, like my PH-1P.)

Sunderland Insight $1400 (Mainly because I like Sutherland's designs.)

Rogue Audio Ares (tubed)  $2000  (The only tubed preamp on my list.)

LIberty Audio B2B-1  $2000 (My first choice if I had the money)

There are other quality phono stages that I had considered at one time but they have limited options for LOMC cartridge loading and gain so they weren't on my list. The EAR 834P is one of them.

It probably goes without saying, but I caution you about putting too much importance in someone's suggestions. Too many variables to be able to know your system and room acoustics and listening preferences. Suggestions are just a place to start your research. Have fun!


Regards,

Tom

PS: I've used a Jolida JD9 for many years and I like it, but I don't recommend it because it has too much gain. It's just not set up very well for MM and high output MC cartridges. If Jolida reconfigured it to provide a wider range of gain settings (eliminating the attenuated "LO" output) they'd have a winner. Of course they'd probably have to charge more money so it would be competing with some very capable phono preamps. One of Jolida's selling points has been value for cost; that would change if the price goes up much more than it already has.

I believe Meambler is on the right (his chosen) path in searching out a stand alone phonostage. I like the flexibility one provides and within the context of his system, the stage within the HK can be improved upon.  He has also indicated that he is inclined to upgrade beyond the HK at some time. Until that time however, the analog pre/amp within the HK is no slouch and can well serve him as he does so. I believe the pre can be separated from the amp which may prove beneficial towards this end. 

Regarding the separates vs. integrated approach, I agree that there are many very good integrated amps available, and within a budget he likely would be considering, makes for a solid recommendation. Now, in support of a stand alone phonostsge, the field of integrated amps opens up substantially when not including one. That said, there are many reasons/benefits to going with separates.As one example, I researched his speakers and found them to be at the upper end (my thinking) of a budget allocation toward speakers, again within the context of his existing system.  I am a fan of using a tubed preamp with a SS amplifier and can’t help but wonder how the right combination of same would sound driving the F52s.  



Count me as one of those that thinks your current system using the HK990 will greatly benefit from an external phono stage right now.  It will only make an LP played on the very good system you have now, sound even better!

Most externals offer far better performance and cartridge loading options than built-ins.  And when you do upgrade your amp to something else, an external phono stage is portable and can go along for the ride.

You have been given many good suggestions so go for it.

The Allnic, Modwright, Herron, and Manley Chinook all have rave reviews. However they are out of my price range. If I was going to spend $4000 to $5000 I would probably do as jmcgrogan2 suggested and get a better integrated amp.

I’m looking to top out at $1500. Riffer, I’ll read up on the Trigon Vangurad / Volcano comb.

Other stages that have been recommended are the Sutherland 20/20, Audio Research PH6, Ear834p, Jolida Jd9mkLll, Musical Surrounds Nova Phonomena. The Musical Surrounds can be run off of batteries that it charges when not in use. I wonder if that makes a big difference?