Jazz for aficionados

According to Wynton,   Metheny and Miles were not playing Jazz. 

Not trying to start anything,  just saying.

Of course this was the Sinbad era.

Cheers

Here's Blakey and the messengers from the album "Night In Tunisia", "So Tired" is the name of this one


                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEFaBKok1jg


My favorite "Nica's Dream", is this dream  with Horace Silver on piano.


                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lju13U1zEE


OK you Miles fans, beat these by Blakey and The Messengers.





Enjoy the music.

****I can't see why everyone is so "ga ga" over Miles, when Blakey's Jazz Messengers had the best music and musicians by far.****

O-10, that's the kind of statement that, especially on the heels of you posting that great documentary about KOB, will certainly raise some eyebrows.  Any one jazz fan may like the music of The Jazz Messengers more than that of Miles, but to declare that they had "the best music and musicians by far"?  Really?!  

We could dissect that statement and look at the musicians: "better" than Coltrane, Cannonball, Bill Evans, Philly Joe, Wynton Kelly, Paul Chambers, Ron Carter, Tony Williams, Herbie Hancock, George Coleman, Dave Liebman, Chick Corea, and on and on..... and, "by far"?  I think that assertion merits some sort of explanation.

The music:

Your documentary and the comments by all those jazz giants do a great job of explaining how just one single recording by Miles both defined and changed the face of jazz more than any other.  As I have suggested before, there just might be something to what all those great jazz musicians have to say on the matter....just maybe 😉 .  There has been so much written and documented about how Miles was one of the great guiding forces in the evolution and history of jazz than just about any other musician that it frankly seems silly to get into it here; a quick search will bring up more info than one can absorb in one siting.  A better way to perhaps answer your question is to consider that if one listen to The Jazz Messengers from their inception all the way to when Wynton was in the band, you'll find very little difference in the music; hard bop.  Great hard bop, but fairly traditional hard bop at that.  Now, listen to Miles' various quintets; all different, and all great.

Dont get me wrong, Blakey was great even if he was not my favorite drummer; I prefer drumming with a lighter touch.  He was also undeniably a great "school" for a lot of great players; and so was Miles, if perhaps and arguably not to the same extent.  However, imo, to compare Blakey playing "Nica's Dream" to Miles' "Nefertiti" is kinda pointless; apples and oranges.  The playing, within the respective styles of the music is on an equally high level; and, on "Nefertiti" more complex harmonically,  making it more interesting to listeners with a certain sensibility.  But, if play the game I must, I'll take "Nefertiti" any day.

Regards.

Btw, I could make a joke about the title of the first Jazz Messengers clip, but it really wouldn't be fair; it's great stuff.

Any Jazz is good Jazz. I rather enjoy Bop, Hard Bop and Modal the best.
Then, there are greats like Pharoah Sanders, Sun Ra...etc., that take an extra exploration on the Jazz theme.