****Does this mean you did a lot more listening and still don't like him? :-)****
Yes.
****But, to your comment: with all due respect you just don't understand they mindset of musicians like Bowie. In fairness, there is no way that you could. I have known and worked with musicians steeped in this and similar genres (avant garde, "downtown", free, etc.), and I assure you that your take on their motivation and their view of their own place within the art world is way off.******
I, like most people, have a pretty good understanding of human nature. And all musicians want acceptance of their music, and financial and artistic success. This 'free jazz' stuff could be 'plan B'.
*****A culture that wants simplistic art that requires little involvement other than feeling the beat. In which attitude has become more important than substance (as Learsfool points out) and which has been trained to be obsessed with the issue of race to the extent that it is terrified of criticizing the gratuitous ugliness of the music for fear of being labeled racist.******
When things just don't make sense, remember the words of that great American, 'Deep-throat', "follow the money". Once you know where the money ends up, you will know why Rap is still with us. BTW, Rap could be more popular with the white community than the black. Its a generational thing.
**** I just returned from a three week tour of Asia (NY Phil) and I was astounded at the pervasive influence of the hip hop culture in China, Japan and especially Korea. It is everywhere; the pop music, television and it's commercials and the attire of young people. Rap in Korean is something to experience :-).*****
I would suggest that most of what you saw is just an example of young asians fascination with American pop culture. It's just skin deep. Just young folks having fun acting and looking like Rappers, Rockers and Bikers. The similarity ends there. They grow out of it eventually. They have nothing in common with the thugs in the USA.
*****Lastly, thanks for pointing out to me that I like noise. Who knew?*****
Don't mention it. After all, it's the duty of Jazz Aficionados. Who knew? Well, you have championed noise makers in the past, so there was talk.
Cheers
Yes.
****But, to your comment: with all due respect you just don't understand they mindset of musicians like Bowie. In fairness, there is no way that you could. I have known and worked with musicians steeped in this and similar genres (avant garde, "downtown", free, etc.), and I assure you that your take on their motivation and their view of their own place within the art world is way off.******
I, like most people, have a pretty good understanding of human nature. And all musicians want acceptance of their music, and financial and artistic success. This 'free jazz' stuff could be 'plan B'.
*****A culture that wants simplistic art that requires little involvement other than feeling the beat. In which attitude has become more important than substance (as Learsfool points out) and which has been trained to be obsessed with the issue of race to the extent that it is terrified of criticizing the gratuitous ugliness of the music for fear of being labeled racist.******
When things just don't make sense, remember the words of that great American, 'Deep-throat', "follow the money". Once you know where the money ends up, you will know why Rap is still with us. BTW, Rap could be more popular with the white community than the black. Its a generational thing.
**** I just returned from a three week tour of Asia (NY Phil) and I was astounded at the pervasive influence of the hip hop culture in China, Japan and especially Korea. It is everywhere; the pop music, television and it's commercials and the attire of young people. Rap in Korean is something to experience :-).*****
I would suggest that most of what you saw is just an example of young asians fascination with American pop culture. It's just skin deep. Just young folks having fun acting and looking like Rappers, Rockers and Bikers. The similarity ends there. They grow out of it eventually. They have nothing in common with the thugs in the USA.
*****Lastly, thanks for pointing out to me that I like noise. Who knew?*****
Don't mention it. After all, it's the duty of Jazz Aficionados. Who knew? Well, you have championed noise makers in the past, so there was talk.
Cheers