Jeff Rowlands Amp and Dac vs. VAC amp and DAC


Hello, I am new to this forum but I have a question. I am trying to pair an amp + DAC with my Wilson Sabrinas. I have listened to Jeff Rowlands integrated with the Aeris DAC. And the VAC Sigma integrated with the Aeris DAC. Price is a factor and so is space. Does the 625 need a pre-amp? Any suggestions or thoughts? 
rinpoche
Thanks, Rick. 

Part of the concern I expressed about that issue was the possibility that if the DAC's volume control would have to be set in the lower part of its range, and if the volume control function is implemented digitally (I don't know whether or not that is the case in the Aeris), its sonics might be adversely affected as a result of what is referred to as "bit stripping."  Which can occur to a greater or lesser degree, or not at all, depending on the design of the particular DAC as well as on the particular volume setting.  And I raised that point in connection with the particularly high gain that most VAC amps provide, which (everything else being equal) would necessitate a lower setting of the DAC's volume control.

I see that your Rowland Corus preamp provides overall gain that is "Independently Programmable 0 to 20 dB on each input."  It would be relevant to the discussion to know what you have that set to in your system, or if it is set to some default value, what that default value is.   If that gain is set to a high value it would necessitate a correspondingly lower setting of the DACs volume control, to enable the preamp's volume control to be used in a desirable part of its range.  Thereby increasing the possibility of adverse sonic effects due to bit stripping, if the DACs volume function is implemented digitally.

Pending knowing how that is set in your system, though, my guess is that the high gain of the VAC amps would not be a problem for Rinpoche. I say that based on your results together with the fact that the 5 db or so higher gain of the VAC amps, relative to the gain of your Rowland amp, closely corresponds to the approximately 6 db lower efficiency of her speakers compared to yours.  Which would result in essentially the same overall system gain, aside from preamp differences.

In any event, though, I would suggest to her that if she obtains a high gain amp such as one of the VACs, and also eventually purchases a preamp, that high gain preamps be avoided.  Examples of high gain preamps include many Conrad Johnson models, which provide gains in the area of 25 db or so.  A preamp providing a gain in single digits, or at most around 12 db or so, would be a much more suitable choice.

Best regards,
-- Al
 
 
Thank you all. This has been very helpful and informative. I have learned a lot. My experience of listening to the JR 625 (upgrade) and the Aeris as well as the VAC was great. If I didn't have the VAC to listen to after I would be very happy with the JR equipment. And it is easier overall to work with (for film and TV). But, I think that the VAC had a little extra magic. I guess that is the tube vs. SS issue. Once I get all the costs and details of what it might cost each time I have to change the 4 main tubes, I will decide. I know I will be happy with either one, but if I go with the JR will I always be thinking "what would the VAC have been like?" And the first time I have to bias myself I will be thinking "should I have gone with the JR!" If these were the biggest problem one had in life, it would be amazing. Thank you all and if there are any other voices of wisdom I would love to hear. 
Rinpoche,
Just as I suspected the VAC  tube magic has smitten you ☺☺. Biasing tubes is no big deal and VAC's are very reliable and  steady in operation. Yes you'll have to replace tubes as they age  (goes with the territory ). Pick the amplifier that in terms of musical fulfillment will make you feel the happiest over the long haul while listening to your music. You've used the term tube magic several times,  I understand what you mean ☺
Charles, 
The Vac amps I have heard are very special.  I have never actually heard them with "tube amp friendly" speakers.   So you just never know until you try.  
Seems we are all agreed — VAC wins! I am feeling bad though because I was reading a thread that totally trashes Wilson speakers. I think the Sabrinas are really perfect in so many ways. I had to save space so they fit in really nicely. But the thread I read makes it seem as if people who purchase Wilson's have no soul. I am not sure why people disparage others for their choices, but in my mind they are really lovely. Maybe I could do better but there are limited funds (e.g., Raidho, Vandersteen, and so on) — this is a very expensive adventure. I appreciate all that you put into your set ups and so on. I haven't even begun to think about cables. And I am shy to say what I am using presently. I know I need a good interconnnect between the Aeris and amp + so if that is something you know about I would love to hear this too.