I'm happy but I want more, more, more


My system is a Clearaudio Performance SE table, Clearaudio Stradivari cartridge, ARC PH5, Conrad Johnson et3 se pre, and a Classe CA-2200 amp running a pair of Thiel 3.6. Speaker cables are Cardas Golden Cross and interconnects are Cardas Clear Refection. Now, to upgrade the pre to a Conrad Johnson ACT 2 series 2 or an ARC Ref 3 will cost me about $3500-4000 CAD, as will an upgrade to a ARC PH-8 phonostage. Any opinions regarding which upgrade, pre or phonostage, will yield the greatest jump in performance are appreciated. BTW, no talk about upgrading speakers and leaving Thiel as that costs real money and countless therapy sessions.
bill10907
With electronics it seems to pay best if you start the upgrades upstream and work your way downstream to the amp and speakers.

No matter how good your amps and speakers are, they can't recover information lost by the front end. So you get that right first- and that has this way of really making up for a lot of flaws further downstream!

I would not limit myself to ARC phono sections either. If I had to choose only between the ARC or CJ preamp, I'd go with the CJ, but no-one is holding a gun to my head and I'm of the opinion that I don't have to be limited like that.

Now the thing is, if the arm and cartridge aren't up to snuff, the electronics won't do you a lot of good. I would therefore be considering upgrading the arm and cartridge first- but you do have to deal with the issue of how much output the cartridge has and how this might affect the preamp issue. FWIW, I've found that the ability of the arm to track the cartridge properly, combined with the ability of the arm to allow for absolutely correct setup of the cartridge, will trump the actual choice of cartridge almost every time.

To put that another way, you don't have to spend a lot on the cartridge if your arm has its ducks in a row. I know this will be met with some scorn, but I'm not kidding here. I run a Triplanar, which is one of the most adjustable arms made; one day I found that my cartridge had inexplicably lost a channel, so it went back to get fixed/replaced. In the meantime I was needing my fix of tunes and the only cartridge I had laying around was a $35.00 cartridge new in the box. I figured, 'why not', set it up with the same care I would a $8000.00 cartridge and see what happens. Well it tracked perfectly with no hint of stress on real torture tracks, but sounded a little up front (well, more than just a little...). But then I realized that it was a moving magnet and loading is a big deal with them, much more so than moving coils, so I experimented with loading and the up front quality went away: the cartridge was smooth, fast, detailed, extended- in fact the only real difference I could hear is that it obviously had more output so the noise floor was lower.

So you might take this into account with your update scenario.
I posted earlier, but my post was deleted. It was deemed to be too harsh. Believe me, I did not mean it that way, if you by chance did read it.  In fact, my thoughts are and were very parallel to those of Atma-sphere.  I can only add one more idea: Instead of trying to follow all of the sometimes confusing and contradictory advice above Atma-sphere's, you might consider taking a step back.  Before you spend any money, travel around a little and listen to a wide variety of systems that are very different from yours. You might visit dealers and private homes as well. Determine for yourself whether any of these other versions of an audio system seem to get closer to ringing your bell.  It might take you a whole year to do this well, but in the long run you might also save a lot of money and avoid many blind alleys.  In my opinion, satisfaction in this hobby is more about honest introspection and epiphany than it is about fancy doodads.
More? I'd say your system is already there except for the bottom.

Get a subwoofer with detailed room EQ and remote control to adjust phase, volume, and EQ, on the fly from your listening position. Used JL Audio F series or Velodyne DD Plus prices should be right in your wheelhouse.
bill10907:  I was on the merry-go-round myself for about 40 years.  I tried at least 10 power amps, both tubed and solid-state, 5 preamps, who knows how many speakers, some up to $42K with ion tweeters and spherical horn midrange, 3 turntables, 2 arms, 3 cartridges, 2 subwoofers, and a plethora of cables, some up to $20K for a pair of speaker cables.  A few years back I discovered do-it-yourself products and now have single-driver speakers in homemade cabinets and High Fidelity Cables.  Nothing I had before even touched what I have now and I am off the merry-go-round.  Just something to think about.  Good luck with your endeavour.