Jazz for aficionados
Still, we were talking about fusion, so here is one suggestion, not exactly in the style of the stuff Frogman posts, but maybe some of the 'purist' will like it even more. Chico O' Farrill and Clark Terry on 'Spanish Rice' album from 1966. https://youtu.be/4xklqCjJ1lg https://youtu.be/Yt911oOUYp0 https://youtu.be/T4yj_unppWY |
Nice clips, Alexatpos; as usual. Love Chico O'Farrill and his orchestra; as you say, classic "fusion" of Latin and Jazz. Fantastic arranger who had a background in classical music composition, which I think shows in the discipline and "tightness" of his arrangements. Clark Terry is fabulous as always. Timeless stuff, while having a definite 50's flavor. Herb Geller came up before (with Clifford Brown?). Wonderful player; as you say, very swinging player. However, to my ears, he and this ensemble show signs of the "cool" style. His style and that of the other band members, as well as the writing, is definitely "West Coast"; if not especially "cool". What I mean is this: if Parker (and Jackie McLean, Phil Woods etc.) are beboppers who swing hard, and Paul Desmond (and Bud Shank etc.) are "cool" players with their lighter tone and less incisive sense of swing, then Geller (like Art Pepper) occupies a kind of middle stylistic middle ground. "Warm"? Wonderful Conte Candoli.. Some thoughts about this "fusion" thing: First of all, there is obviousy, and as demonstrated by the last several posts, that there is no reason that the genre (and any other) cannot be posted and discussed ALONG WITH the more traditional styles which, as you say, the "purists" may prefer. Even more importantly (I think), the ambiguity of the term and disagreement of what exactly it is points to what, for me, is always the key issue: the label doesn't matter; is it good music or not? Of course, not everyone likes certain styles; but it highlights the value in trying to understand what it is that makes certain music appeal to some and not others. Integrity of the music and level of craft are things that are not always given enough attention in favor of a purely knee jerk emotional reaction to it. You have always expressed your willingness to "leave the door open" to the possibility of appreciating other styles. Personally, I think that is what it's all about. You may like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OC5rB-IwqZk |
Frogman, like I said before, I have no problem with different music posted here, finally even if I dont listen it at the present, man can always learn something new. I wrote about it not long ago, for me and perhaps for some of the others (would like to hear their opinion too) is often the matter of 'tone', the way some musician plays and has his sound, the crucial thing for 'liking' or disliking some music. I have said, that there are numerous 'jazz jazz' players that I do not listen, because I do not 'like' enough their sound. For example,its realy hard for me to get accustomed to the sound of electric keyboard or synth in some of the music that goes under 'fusion'. So I admit, there is a long way ahead of me... But, as a principle I do not see the reason why should not we exchange thougts and suggestions and especially if it comes from 'inside', from someone like you or Lfsl, who are musicians by trade. If we all would like and know the same musi, no matter of which style, it would be quite boring forum and your words are certainly true. My hope is that you will not run out of patience and that you take some of the words said here lighthearted. As for the clip I could not see it, sometimes some music has issues with rights or countries where it can be seen, I guess. |
Alex, as always, a thoughtful post. We have absolutely no disagreement. I have no issue with your attraction to the tone of a player and I completely understand not liking the sound of electric instruments. The reason that I enjoy dialoguing with you is that not only do you "leave the door open" for yourself, you do not insist that someone else’s door be shut. While I would encourage you to keep that door open, I assure you that I would have no issue if you were to decide to close it. The difference, of course, is whether there is respect for the other viewpoint. That process is what has caused discord on this thread unfortunately. Tone and its importance in the scheme of things is such an interesting thing. I mentioned in my previous post Jackie McLean; brilliant jazz player. However, perhaps because I play the same instrument, I hate his "tone"; it is rough, ragged and not very refined. However, I love his jazz playing. The often mentioned Wynton Marsalis has a tone on the trumpet that is amazing; to die for. Yet, I don’t like his playing. A very personal thing; as it should be. As you say, no reason that there cannot be a healthy exchange of ideas. Patience? I’m still here. Regards. |
