I am very impressed by the forests and there low end no need for a sub. I am just starting to notice the limitations with a two way compared to a three way, and would like a little more focused midrange. Also in some bass heavy music I notice that the midrange can't stay focused with the lowed bass. I did try out the new Totem Earths with my system. And I could tell that the Earths had no trouble producing the midrange detail that I wanted. Though the bass was not as defined as the forests. But had no trouble producing the low octaves and, also was better to keep up with more bass driven music like techno. Which it acceded in and was so low it filled the room but was so low to here.